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Bill: National Unity
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2098
Description[?]:
| A single religion sponsored by the government is a unifying force to tie our Provinces and citizens to our national identity. This would in no way prohibit other religious practices. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state appoints the head and ministers of the state religion, but does not intervene otherwise.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:25:05, August 12, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | The state must never meddle with the organized religion the same way organized religion must never meddle with the state! |
| Date | 15:30:48, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | Quite; we oppose these measures as before. |
| Date | 20:06:14, August 12, 2005 CET | From | United Labour Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | No, Church and State don't mix. |
| Date | 22:20:49, August 12, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | Government exist to permit harmonious interactions between people. Religion has this as its base. Why do they not mix? They both provide rules and the means for aiding each other especially those less fortunate. By permitting the religious communities themselves to appoint their leaders we are staying true to the democratic principles that found our nation, and preventing corrupting influences between the two. If leaders in the religious community start playing to the governement rather then their beliefs, they may manage a pay raise, but then the religious community will have them removed. Religious freedom of others is garanteed thus the government cannot move to becoming a strong arm of the religion. |
| Date | 11:57:50, August 13, 2005 CET | From | United Labour Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | You seem to have an overly optimistic view of this policy. Firstly, there are many opportunities for corruption; secondly, separation of organised religion and state is a fundamental principle of democracy; thirdly, you haven't even explained why this is necessary. |
| Date | 06:39:23, August 17, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | 1) Opportunity exist for corruption everywhere. We must work at measures to find and remove those guilty of this behavior then judging all by the actions of few. By placing the final decision in the hands of the people who are to be represented both organizations have a check on this behavior. Just as we would not expect a Assemby member to be reelected after a corruption scandal a church leader would not be appointed if their behavior deviated from the teaching. 2) we disagree with this premise. Democracy is government by the people. Religion is the mainstay of many lives thus it should be the foundation of any government which has its people wishes in mind. There is an underlying assumption of a common belief system where most governments start from. This belief system comes from religions and though they can vary in details and implementation the core is the same. religion is at the heart of government. 3) Once a national religion is in place the foundations that our government is based on; aiding those less fortunate, protecting your neighbor, general good will toward mankind can slowly be removed from the government agencies as more and more people well consider this the norm. Why tax one, run it through agency after agency, and give it to another, when the first would have done this anyway. |
| Date | 06:41:02, August 17, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the National Unity |
| Message | 3)(cont) as stated in the bill discription this would strengthen national unity and remove the need for a draft or national service, these come naturally from a strong church. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 14 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 83 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 3 |
| Random fact: It is forbidden to impersonate a player or Moderator. |
| Random quote: "Benefits should be conferred gradually; and in that way they will taste better." - Niccolo Machiavelli |