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Bill: Language Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2442
Description[?]:
| The true language of Kanjor is not French and never has been, we shall not allow the elite sections of this society to enforce this language from the top down. Kanjor has several cultures, with two major histories (the island and the main-land) merging together. With many significant minorities. This act recognises Kanjoran as the national Language, and forbids the use of French in government documents and correspondance. The act will give Kanjor its culture back. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:13:12, August 09, 2007 CET | From |  Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | Kanjoran is French (checkout the language families section in the wiki) It makes historical sense for the 3 nations of South Seleya to have a common language French is also spoken in southern Mordusia. |
| Date | 11:18:34, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc:::Kanjor was RP'd into french, it never was, we have every intention of RP'ing out of it. This whole french cultutre concept has been killing the game and making ti boring. I have conducted some wideranging negotiations, it is time to actaully make the RP enjoyable and alive. |
| Date | 11:35:26, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: How was it killing the game? What you mean seems to be only that you dont like it... |
| Date | 11:40:22, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc:No, that a majority dont approve, that it was hijacking bya amajority of a already richly developed culture. And we will do anything to bring it down. As far as killing the game, it is largely beacuse the the parties that support it rarely get involved in rp, and are generally obstructive, not debating on bills they dislike, and just sitting on their hands. Kanjor used to be greatly enjoyable to play, but this has changed. If you are unwilling to join in in RP, except when you feel like an occasional burts, then dont complain that you dislike the direction it is going in. |
| Date | 11:53:00, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: I get involved when i am able to! And as for sitting on hands what about your whole "I wont propose bills because the PPK doesnt" didnt it occur to you that the reason we we weren't proposing a lot of bills was because the laws were already pretty much the way we liked them? |
| Date | 11:56:41, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: the not proposing bills was because we were proposing all the bills, spending lots of time writing descriptions etc only for all of them to be defeated. There appeared to be little point, especially as they were all summarily voted against without any debate. |
| Date | 12:22:35, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: my point is that we had no reason to propose bills, so we didnt. We did debate some but not others (mainly due to real world time constraints). |
| Date | 14:38:04, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: i don't speak french. |
| Date | 15:01:06, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: I dont speak it very well! But a little french gives (I think) some flavour to the country and makes sense in that our 2 neighbours are both french speaking (Alduria and Rildanor). |
| Date | 17:25:05, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | I dont think it adds flavour, something unique would add flavour, and to be fair western erope dosent all speak french. A french speaking minority would make sense, but not an entire nation. |
| Date | 17:42:22, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | ooc: But what you seem to be doing is trying to remove what 'flavour' we have and replace it with nothing. The frenchness of Kanjor was developed over 150 yrs of game time (many months of real time) by a number of players, not just me. And you seek to remove all that with one resolution. And as for the Western Europe analogy, in the real world France emerged as one Nation, it didnt necessarily have to happen that way, ever hear of Burgundy? On Terra the french speaking area emergered as 3 nations, nothing unrealistic in that. |
| Date | 02:33:05, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | What's the big deal? Why does it need to change? I don't speak a word of French, I think it does add some flare to Kanjor. |
| Date | 08:01:32, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | Kanjor is not French. It never has been French. It is only recently that this unnatural mantle has been forced upon our county and a false history has been written up to try and cover the transition. If we were truly of French descent, please explain how leaders for over 3000 years lacked any sort of French name. Count Henri Munodi Admiral Richard Belmon, later King Richard I King Conrad I King Richard III M. Cassius Brutus. later Emperor Cassius I Exarch Patrarican XXIV Exarch Rylanus IV Emperor Resirus II President Michael Anthony Seán Lemass (thats an Irish name, not French. Wikipedia it.) Emperor Alphonse VI Valruzian Zapatista Front leader Jacob Arbenz Patriot Party, here, and in other bills, you have vote based on “history” and “tradition.” Yet, unsurprisingly, you seem to ignore all parts of our past that does not suit your personal goals. Democratic Labor Party, you ask “What’s the big deal?” The big deal is that our country suffers under a false history seemingly only implemented due to a leadership being bored. A false history only supported because taking it away would remove a bit of flair. Flair? Flair?! We live a lie because it is somewhat exciting or amusing? We are disgusted! Patriot Party, to oppose this proposal and continue calling yourselves patriots is an insult to all true lovers of this great land. |
| Date | 08:14:24, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | What nonsense! The names in question were in fact 'anglicised' by earlier chroniclers, Belmon for example is a contraction of Belmont, as can be easily seen they share no common features and thus cannot be representative of some mythical non-french culture. Arbenz the only recent figure mentioned was in fact we believe of a hispanic background and part of a small minority that has long existed in Kanjor but was instrumental in founding the Partido Zapatista Kanjoro which was in fact the party responsible for revitalising and restoring to prominence our largely french heritage. |
| Date | 08:15:47, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | And Alphonse and Richard are also good french names as is Henri! |
| Date | 08:31:18, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | As they are good German and English names (with the exception of Richard). What reason would past historians have had to anglicize those names? We find it more reasonable to believe that current historians simply haven’t gallicizated them. Yet. We have no doubts that they will soon try, however. |
| Date | 08:43:14, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | Also, all previous titles of our nation have been in English. Can you explain that? |
| Date | 08:46:59, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | From the Paticracy (and no we didn't write this) " Romance The Romance languages are all descended from one root language, Latin, spoken in southwestern Seleya. It is still an official language in Kazulia. It spread to various corners of Terra, most notably northern Dovani, eastern Keris, western Artania and far southeastern Majatra. It also became "corrupted" and diverged into a number of different languages: * Alorian in Aloria. Alorian is a very simplified form of Latin, most similar to Istalian. * French in Alduria, Kanjor and Rildanor. The three French-speaking nations were formerly united in the Union Française, but this alliance is now defunct. * Istalian in Istalia. Istalians have long had tension with the Arabic-speaking population, descendants of the Quanzari élite, but have suppressed several pro-Arabic uprisings. * Portuguese in Darnussia. Portuguese is similar to the Spanish spoken in Egelion; it has now almost disappeared, due to the Deltarian invasion. * Spanish in Egelion, Davostan and Sekowo. The three nations speak very different forms of Spanish: Davostan's has been influenced by native Macon languages, while Egelion's is closer to Portuguese and Latin and Sekowo's has Gao-Showan and Indralan influences. * Selucian is probably the most distantly related Romance language. The "high class" language used in universities and government is very close to Latin; the lower-class language used by the common people is a mix of English, German and Spanish, with different islands speaking different mixtures. It is also written in the Cyrillic alphabet. o Ushalandan, a language of Deltaria, is normally considered a dialect of Selucian with Deltarian influences. It is also written with the Cyrillic alphabet, with some minor adjustments. " This explains the latin(ish) elements in the list of names you provided and in your proposed motto, the languge census bill of 2340 http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=96558 which was unanimously agreed to by all parties including the non-french ones shows french as clearly the majority language with a strong english speaking minority. |
| Date | 09:24:30, August 11, 2007 CET | From | Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | We present history and you give us nothing more than recent rewrites by an elitist French run majority. The people speak Kanjoran first. As for French? It has been violently shoved down their throats. If they want to understand politics, they are forced to learn it. Disgusting. Simply look at the past: party names and people were not French. Kanjor is not a French nation. |
| Date | 05:28:48, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | I believe it is Kanjoran French if you look a the Wiki. Also: "rewrites by an elitist French run majority." Majority? Don't majorities rule? |
| Date | 05:31:21, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Language Act |
| Message | (And guys, there are so many other things to change on here besides something that doesn't matter to the needs of a fictional, online game.) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 125 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 187 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 63 |
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