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Bill: Prison Reform Act

Details

Submitted by^[?]: removed

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 2039

Description^[?]:

To offset some of the costs of Valruzian prisons, it is proposed that inmates who are fit to work perform jobs that help maintain the prison and pay for their 'vacation'. The jobs will of course comply with all Valruzian labor laws, and the inmates will be allowed to form a union to help negociate deals.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.

Old value:: Prisoners are interned and do not work in prisons.

Current:
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Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	We are against this proposal on the basis that it is esentally slave labour.

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	That is a problem. On the other hand, why should the state spend millions of dollars supporting an unproductive and frankly disruptive portion of society. The inmates owe a debt to the people for their actions and they can pay it off by at the very least supporting the institution they are housed in. The conditions are no worse than any other workplace. THink of it as community service =)

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To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Perhaps there could be an extra part added to the description stating that it is the prisoner's choice to work - perhaps working will reduce their sentence.

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From	Libertarian Party of Valruzia
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	I don't think they should be given a choice whether to work, but this should apply for only certain crimes. and of course, complying to all the labour laws and such.

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From	Deadly Buzz Party
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	I fully support prison labour. They could work for money which they can use to buy a few luxeries.

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	If the labour is paid, or contributes towards a reduced sentence, we will support this proposal.

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From	Liberal Democrats
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	If the labour contributes towards a reduced sentence (only for certain crimes eg. no rape) we're willing to support this proposal.

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From	Liberal Democrats
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Or for a small wage also seems fine to me.

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From	Libertarian Party of Valruzia
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Perhaps they can only starting getting a small wage after a certain number of years?

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	If we're going to be paying them a wage, perhaps we should charge them for their rooms and food?

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From	Deadly Buzz Party
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Perhaps a small portion of there wages if anything.

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	THis isn't really slavery.... closer to indentured service. My point, which no one seems to be responding to, is that they are COSTING the goverment as is. They have no income, and are therefor not paying taxes, and yet are making use of government facilities that no one else uses. Therefor, any 'wages' they earn should be put toward paying for their food and maintenence of the prison.

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	That is slavery! they did not decide to be there and having them pay money for their stay will only influence them against the state!

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From	Deadly Buzz Party
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Which is why they should work and some of their wages go to the government. Having them working will provide a service and it will stop them from getting mind numbingly bored.

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To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Oh, really. Does there really need to be a debate? Surely no one believes this newfangled 'rehabilitation' junk? Shoot them all. Publicly. Costs less in the long run, and you can charge for tickets! / Ignore my associate, who seems to be missing the point! It's not slave labor at all. They can repay their debt to society without incurring a /further/ debt.

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Well. I don't think I would put it that bluntly Ril. And capital punishment has been outlawed. But nevertheless, your point is a good one. My collegue from the Ligati Party makes the point that they did not choose to be in prison. That is correct, they forfited their choice when they committed the crime. And the choise is really between making someone who has done wrong live on the government, or have him or her support his or herself

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To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	I have to disagree with the Cult of Ril position, rehabilitation does work and is an efficient way to reduce bad simu and become a valueable member of society. In the Ligati opinion, work is a way to improve a person, but not if he or she is kept away from the fruits of her labor. Please remember that crimes often result from omissions of the government.

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	This is an issue entirely outside of rehabilitation. That is not the issue. The issue is that thousands of criminals are being fed and sheltered in government facilities and are not paying taxes. Therefore, they should be forced to work in order to simultaniously pay back their existing debt to society and prevent a greater debt from being incurred. Shall we move to voting?

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From	Liberal Democrats
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Sure, you can move to voting. We'll vote against :)

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To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Hmm, I want to vote for the article and against the description!

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From
To	Debating the Prison Reform Act
Message	Ouch, should have mentioned it earlier, I would have changed the description

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Deadly Buzz Party (12)
Libertarian Party of Valruzia (10)

Total Seats: 22

Liberal Democrats (15)

Total Seats: 15

abstain

Total Seats: 0

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