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Bill: Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2450
Description[?]:
| The IHP proposes establishing a Mormon homeland in the area surrounding the city of Moroni. Upon the establishment of said homeland, the Government of Their Majesties will begin actively promoting Mormon resettlement there. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:56:49, August 21, 2007 CET |
From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | OOC: Gao-Showa, Gao-Soto is the country Gao-Showa is the ethnicity. It may have been easier if they'd been the same but thats what I cam up with and thats the way it stays
IC: We obviously have less issue with their "paganism" than you do but we are concerned with their desire to set up a theocracy within Hulstria & Gao-Soto. Outside the area the government controls we have no issue.
Personally the GSSP believes that the city of Moroni and the land south of the Hanpo-Kawa river is a reasonable homeland for the mormons to rule themselves, which is why we proposed the independence of Moroni in the first place. The Gao-Showa have no claim on the region due to the somewhat mysterious and vicious natives who live in that area and its not part of the land promissed to us as far as the priests and other holy men who study the subject are concerned.
I say we inform the mormon temples that there is a land where they can set up their theocracy, we will provide them safe passage and leave them too it. Considering what they claim to have built in Moroni they should be able to fend for themselves without our help in the matter. |
| Date | 18:09:18, August 27, 2007 CET |
From | Mordusian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | This whole situation is messy.
The Hulstrian and Gao Showans have rejected them, and the Mormons have further isolated themselves by creating a city 'exclusive' to all Mormons. From the perspective of an outsider, I propose that the Government embark on a mission to intergrate Mormons into Hulstarian and Gao Showan society seamlessly, and as soon as possible. Believe in a different 'God' that they may, so long as they are willing to cooperate with the laws of the nation as a whole, I don't see why their 'beliefs' have to come into the equation.
One national identity will be key to the future national unity of this country.
Foriegn Minister Marzio Scevola
The Federación Española de Mordusia
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| Date | 16:43:26, August 28, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | Erm, we HAVE tried to integrate them. The Hulstrian and Gao Showa societies, whiling having almost identical political beliefs, both elect to differ to different traditional authorities, The Hulstrians differ to The Hulstrian Monarchy and the Lutheran Church, or in lesser cases the Terran Catholic Church. The Gao Showa differ to the Crysanthemum Throne, and Shintoism. We attempted to integrate the Mormons into one of those two societies, like when the Welsh refugees arrived, they were eventually assimilated into Hulstrian Society. However that didn't work, so we attempted to assimilate them into the limbo between the two societies, and that worked for a time until the conservative wing of the Mormon Political party racidally shifted left and the MSP formed. The this whole mess began with the Mormons not abiding by national laws and practices to the extent that they did it on an international scale, and then they began building that first damned city of theirs and fighting with the local Gao Showa.
We are surprised the PLPH are so eager to have a group of people so strongly opposed to the Monarchies that they wish to see the Kaiser and Tenno dethroned.
And to the Mordusian Delegate, while you originally sound like you know what you're talking about the statement,"One national identity will be key to the future national unity of this country" blows that out the window. If you had any true understanding of our peoples' ways you would know this country will never truely be stable under one national identity, there is a reason our national motto is, Viribus Unitis(With United Forces), and that is because we are stronger with to different and content national identities, then we ever would be with an assimilated but voitale one.
Rudolph von Rothingren-Traugott-Islyn
Lord Protector of their Majesties Governments
(acting in his copacity as HoG) |
| Date | 11:08:02, August 29, 2007 CET |
From | Mordusian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | It is then our opinion that the Mormon Socialist Party should quit dictating to the Government of Hulstria & Gao-Soto its terms and conditions of creating a seperate society to the rest of this country. It whinges that Mormons have become a sort of 'outsider' to the peoples within, yet, from what all of we can see it has only done just that for itself. The Mormons face a burden of self-isolation, not exile by the Government that exists here. If it wishes to resolve this conflict as quick as possible the Mormon Socialist Party should change it's stance of support for the City of Moroni, into encouraging the population to re-intergrate as normal citizens.
For as the whole policy of 'Mormons sticking to Mormon-town' and 'Chinese sticking to Chinatown' is a fallacy. It only creates disunity and division. For as different as the people reside here may be, they are all working for one vision... the betterment of this country as a whole. Fail to do this, and the Mormons (along with the MSP) will get exactly what they deserve and have asked for. |
| Date | 13:13:12, September 01, 2007 CET |
From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | The establishment of deseret was illegal as it was being constructed on privately owned land and the Mormons backed down. Moroni is outside the nations territorial claims so does not come under the laws of this nation. If the Mormons want to integrate they should not found a theocratic Mormon only city state inside or outside the nation's borders but live within our already existing cities and social structure.
The fact they founded a Mormon only city shows they are not willing to live within either Hulstrian or Gao-Showa society but rather desire independence. |
| Date | 18:28:42, September 02, 2007 CET |
From | Mordusian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | I dont see why you want to keep Moroni. Why can't Mormons seem to have the ability to integrate into existing cities and towns like everyone else? To be honest, they should abandon that city, or the Government will be just in excluding them from their jurisdiction. (Afterall, its not like they're FORCING you to do one thing or the other). |
| Date | 21:41:55, September 02, 2007 CET |
From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | We do not wish to establish a private city. We wish to establish a city that is open to people of all races and religions. And if we cannot establish a city on Hulstrian land, why would we want to return to the mainland. We would rather incorporate Moroni into the nation, as it would be easier and more sensible. |
| Date | 00:16:37, September 03, 2007 CET |
From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | But society there excludes us because we are what you call "different."Plus, many of these cities could not support the massive influx of Mormons, nor the large infrastructure needed by the massive organization of the church along side its current residents. It is more economical to build a city from scratch, hence the church headquarters relocation to Moroni, which has allowed the church to expand beyond what it could do while it was located in Kien. |
| Date | 00:23:37, September 03, 2007 CET |
From | Progressive Liberal Party of Hulstria | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | First its very painful for the PLPH to be called anti monarchist and being key roleplayers in bringing down the Monarchy. Never we want to bring down the Monarchy, we are loyal supporters of the Kaiser, as a party as the IHP should now. Its a insult to be called anti-monarchist and we are very, very disappointed. As delegation of the PLPH in the Imperial Diet we want to show our support to the Kaiser, and call our fellow member to follow us.
Long live the Kaiser, Long live the Tenno, Long live Hulstria!
Hooray, Hooray, Hooray!
And we would like to dress out to the MSP that your wishes are a insult for entire Hulstria. We are ashamed of your propositions, you may live in Hulstria, in Hulstrian cities, actings as members of the Hulstrian society, and we will do our best, as PLPH to give your people the possibility to integrate in the society. But when one wishes to establish his own city, apart from the Hulstrian cities, and if that request is not honored, you wish to leave to country, you insult Hulstria. We give you the change to integrate, with of course your own cultural identity, but as part of the Hulstrian society, and you wish to leave. Its a shame! |
| Date | 07:07:52, September 03, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | The Mormons have once again been pissy pants and are trying to provoke Deltaria, *collective IHP group sigh* , again. We will therefore be moving for a vote on establishing a Mormon Homeland around the city of Moroni, which can serve as the Mormons capital if they like. Hell if you all interbreed enough over maybe you'll finally be able to actually be a race. |
| Date | 07:12:37, September 03, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | Also for the record we were not saying the PLPH is anti Monarchist or trying to bring down the Monarchy, we were just pointing out that you all were supporting a group that left a message on the International Monarchist League's(the leading monarchist party organization on Terra) message board saying "As we now support the overthrow of the Dual Monarchy, we have resign from this organization."
Erm... obviously overthrowing the Dual Monarchy would involve overthrowing the Kaiser, exo facto, the Mormons are a bunch of Godless Republicans. |
| Date | 04:07:28, September 04, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | Oh yes the oppressive overbaring monarchies, which weild so much political power that they have ended elections, disbanded the Imperial Diet, and have vested all governmental power in the hands of 2 men....
Yea, the MSP needsto start looking at hard fact instead of trying to win arguements by stating things that are in no possible light true. |
| Date | 05:05:51, September 04, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Establishing a Committee to Find a Mormon Homeland | | Message | You mean those Ancient Palaces that, in Hulstria's case atleast, have stood for over 5 centuries, or the fact those Monarchies have their own purses as they, like most of the noble families in this countries have heavy ties to the large national corporations, seeing as they are generally the majority stockholders or investor going again several centuries back. And therefore don't require government, aka tax payer funding? |
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