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Bill: French Union

Details

Submitted by[?]: 2ème PPPP

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 2450

Description[?]:

I believe we should seriously consider this idea brought up by our neighbors in Rildanor. Go here to check out the discussion:

http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=136256

Ok I'm putting this to vote to see how many of us are in basic support of the idea of having a greater union with possibly a number of our neighbors. If you are diametrically opposed to even the slightest loss of sovereignty, vote no.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date00:02:25, August 29, 2007 CET
From Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality
ToDebating the French Union
MessageWe don't see a need for this.

Date00:03:54, August 29, 2007 CET
From Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
ToDebating the French Union
MessageWhat could this do to Kanjoran sovereignty?

Date01:36:50, August 29, 2007 CET
From 2ème PPPP
ToDebating the French Union
MessageSo uhh what happened to strength in unity?

Date03:18:33, August 29, 2007 CET
From Front Canrillaise
ToDebating the French Union
MessageKanjor would become a province of this new nation, just like Rildanor will be. However, ALL parties in both countries can participate in and vote on national issues as if they were any ordinary national party.

The idea is designed to enhance gameplay, at least until Paragon. This is suppose to make RPing a lot better as this is not done a lot in Particracy. Our combined power and influence will be unrivaled.

Some will ask what this will do to "sovereignty". All I can say is that we can create a new sovereignty that unites both countries under one decentralized, federal state.

Date05:03:57, August 29, 2007 CET
From Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
ToDebating the French Union
MessageThanks Parti d'Aristocratie.

4-Ps: Nothing. Strength and Unity of Kanjor is our aim. The UPF is merely questioning what could happen to the power and strength of Kanjor within a newly recreated country.

Date05:05:07, August 29, 2007 CET
From Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
ToDebating the French Union
MessageOOC: Is this sort of a European Union idea? A large, unified "country" but the local regions have utmost autonomy?

Date06:51:02, August 29, 2007 CET
From Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality
ToDebating the French Union
Messageooc: I think this will really just be too unwieldly.

Date12:15:28, August 31, 2007 CET
From Partie Patriotique de Kanjor
ToDebating the French Union
Messageooc: There have been 3 previous attempts at this sort of union, all failed. It might br nice to give it a go and see if we can make it work.

ic: We would like the legislature size for each nation to be 105 rather than 100, in our experience numbers which are divisible by both 3 & 5 work best.

Date12:16:28, August 31, 2007 CET
From Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle
ToDebating the French Union
MessageWe are in favour

Date16:17:37, August 31, 2007 CET
From Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality
ToDebating the French Union
Messageooc: seriously, what is the point of this? to enhance rp? i wasn't aware there was a problem.

Date16:20:50, August 31, 2007 CET
From Partie Patriotique de Kanjor
ToDebating the French Union
Messageooc: basically yes, there isn't a problem, some players just like an active rp environment, and I am curious to see whether it could be got to work!

Date16:23:04, August 31, 2007 CET
From Front Canrillaise
ToDebating the French Union
MessageOOC: Well it wouldn't be like the EU because both Rildanor and Kanjor will be one country. We decide on national matters together but still retain autonomy with respect to creating provincial laws. Matters concerning the military, foreign affairs, and administration might be the same, but the rest can fall under provincial law.

We do not believe it will be too unwieldy as our cooperation will only involve (mainly) roleplaying. If, for example, there is a war (like the one that almost erupted between Mordusia and Gaduridos) then OUR COUNTRY can decide on how to get involved together, as if it was one legislature and one country.

Date17:43:48, August 31, 2007 CET
From Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle
ToDebating the French Union
MessageWe can always have national legislation be decided through locking treaties

Date17:46:12, August 31, 2007 CET
From Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality
ToDebating the French Union
Messageooc: while you might be interested in greater roleplay ppk, think about whether or not the party you are currently roleplaying would support such a proposition. i doubt very much the patriot party of kanjor would be so willing to give up kanjor's national identity.

Date17:52:53, August 31, 2007 CET
From Partie Patriotique de Kanjor
ToDebating the French Union
MessageWe would have to look at the terms and conditions of such a union, at the moment we see no harm in a constructive discussion of the idea.

Date23:15:47, August 31, 2007 CET
From Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
ToDebating the French Union
MessageOOC: I like the idea, but I need to explore the specifics of it more thoroughly. Otherwise, I see it as a sort of "European Union" type of thing. I think a good Fascist Party could be of some use in such a Union.

Date02:09:12, September 05, 2007 CET
From Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
ToDebating the French Union
MessageLet's give it a shot.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 151

no
  

Total Seats: 101

abstain
   

Total Seats: 123


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