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Bill: Identity cards
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imbriglicated Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2452
Description[?]:
| How are we supposed to know who is who if there is no proper, standardized way of identifying oneself? If identities are so loosely handled, the common man is at risk in a multitude of situations – from mundane tasks such as buying things and signing contracts to more serious matters such as criminal investigations. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: Citizens are issued with identity cards on a voluntary basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:15:22, September 05, 2007 CET | From | Imbriglicated Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | Could the Neo-Epicurean Party please elaborate on why it opposes this bill? |
| Date | 23:04:26, September 05, 2007 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | We are opposed these governmental scheme to impose "Big Brother" on the good people of Rutania: If citizens are issued with identity cards on a so-called "voluntary basis" the Gov't will begin to offer financial incentives (or penalize them) to those that do not get National I.D. cards. In the end, everyone will have at the expense of their sacred liberties. |
| Date | 02:36:52, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Deus Ex Machina Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | Since our robotic citizens are currently issued with serial numbers, we would like to extend the process to our fleshy brethren. It really is quite helpful. |
| Date | 04:29:03, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Stupidfly Urbanist Exapansion Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | It starts with identity cards, then chips in your brains to track you, and it escalates from there, how are people supposed to commit theft and hamburgarly when we have chips in our brains, they can't, and thats the problem here. |
| Date | 10:30:59, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Imbriglicated Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | The security of ones identity and person will increase the liberty of our people. It saddens us that you are not enlightened enough to see this, but we hope that you will rectify your position. |
| Date | 12:36:50, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Epicurean Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | We fail to see how a national identity card will increase the liberty of the people. There are already well-established methods of establishing one's identity, and laws to deal with fraud and identity theft. We feel that the potential advantages of this bill were not adequately justified. |
| Date | 13:10:49, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Imbriglicated Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | OOC: If there are no ID cards, then how can there be "well-established methods of establishing one's identity"? Is this just a flaw of the game, and you can make things up the way it pleases you and state it as facts, in terms of roleplaying (no, not being rude here - just asking), or is there something I am missing with this picture? |
| Date | 01:16:39, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those that would give up a LITTLE Freedom for security will get NEITHER." |
| Date | 12:59:08, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Imbriglicated Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | OOC: Actually, he said "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." But that is moot at this point, as far as the debate goes. Not trying to nitpick on your psot - it's just the history/social science teacher in me who is speaking. :) |
| Date | 13:14:00, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Epicurean Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | Citizens of our great nation currently use several methods of establishing identity, including birth certificates, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and other photographic ID's. These do the job well enough that we have managed to get by without national identity cards so far. Please explain what advantages a national ID card would have over the methods already in use. |
| Date | 16:22:17, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Imbriglicated Party | To | Debating the Identity cards |
| Message | I will ask again, then: If there are no ID cards, then how can there be "well-established methods of establishing one's identity"? There is nothing in the laws that concerns birth certificates, SSN:s, driver's licenses or photographic ID's. The ONLY thing that has to do with this is the "Government-issued identity card policy". At the present, these obviously do not exist either. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 172 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 389 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 189 |
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