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Bill: Child Benefit Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union of Democratic Socialists
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2455
Description[?]:
| It is unfair to give families handouts simply based on size. A family with one child living in poverty needs the money more than a rich family with seven. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to large families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:56:25, September 05, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Socialist Party | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | As long as this is not reduces the spending on child benefits we can support it. However, changing this policy will lead to increased bureacracy. It is evident that it takes more red tape to evaluate the income of families than just give handouts to all families. The cost of this increase in bureaucracy might just eat up a lot of the money that was intended to be directed at poor families. But if the increase in bureaucracy can be limited we will support this bill. |
| Date | 01:35:19, September 06, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | I support |
| Date | 09:19:47, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Union of Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | We already have systems in place which are only offered to families classed as low-income, such as schooling, so this would simply be an extension of this database to cover child benefit as well. |
| Date | 19:51:21, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Labour Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | The DLU’s preference would be to keep the current legislation, however we are willing to be persuaded. In our humble view the argument presented by our honourable SRP colleagues does not in itself invalidate the current legislation. Just because a family is large it does not equate that they are somehow wealthier than those with less children. In fact taken as an average income per household it would actually follow a household with more children will have less disposable income than those with only one or two. In fact this may even be true for those families where parents may have above average incomes because the larger number of dependents may well reduce the mean income per child, well below those enjoyed by their counterparts, on average incomes with less children. Sincerely Chester Du Shuu DLU opposition speaker for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 16:03:20, September 08, 2007 CET | From | Union of Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | Kate Fogg, Minister for Health and Social Services: "The system would involve dividing income for each child, for example a family with 5 children could earn more than one with 2, but the first would qualify for child benefit, due to the lower income to child ratio. This will ensure fairness to families of all sizes, not just ones with large or small numbers of children." |
| Date | 20:25:39, September 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Labour Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | We are gratified for Minister Fogg’s response, however with that being the case how do they see the current legislation different to their reply? Chester Du Shuu DLU opposition speaker for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 10:00:43, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Union of Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | Kate Fogg, Minister for Health and Social Services: "The system differs in that currently, even millionaires receive child benefit, as long as they have more than a certain number of children. Under the new system, child benefit is calculated based on income per child, not merely the number of children. |
| Date | 12:33:12, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Labour Union | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | Given the assurances made by Minister Fogg, the DLU will be prepared to support the legislation. Chester Du Shuu DLU opposition speaker for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 09:10:33, September 12, 2007 CET | From | Union of Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Child Benefit Act |
| Message | Kate Fogg, Minister for Health and Social Services: "We at the SRP would like to thank the right honourable Mr. Du Shuu for his contribution to this debate." |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 114 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 78 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 58 |
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