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Bill: Restoration of Justice
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Cildanian Egoists
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2451
Description[?]:
| RESOLVED: That our nation has lapsed greatly in its support of substantive justice, and must swiftly correct this deficiency. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Proposed: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The terms of extradition.
Old value:: Extradition to nations with capital punishment or with cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects and convicts is not allowed.
Current: Extradition to nations that practice cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects or in punishment is not allowed.
Proposed: The law bars the government from extraditing anyone who is a citizen of the state.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:39:21, September 05, 2007 CET | From |  Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | As to Article I: Our nation should never betray its citizens to the whims of a foreign government. As long as our citizens do not violate our laws, they should suffer no punishment. As to Article II: There is no more just statement of law than "An Eye for an Eye". Murderers must be punished accordingly, their degenerate lives forfeit as result of their inexcusable actions. As to Article III: Torture is a vital and necessary means of obtaining crucial information in times of crisis. To outlaw it unequivocally is to say that we care more about the comfort of the terrorist than about the lives of the citizens. |
| Date | 01:25:58, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | Article 1: Agreed, but for the reason that the rights of individuals should be international. Such a proclamation subsumes that our own laws are best aligned to protect these rights, but sadly that is currently not the case. Article 2: Agreed in principle, that a man that takes the life of another forfeits the right to his own. Unfortunately, our current justice system is far from perfect or omniscient, and from a moral standpoint it is far less costly to imprison a murderer for life than to put an innocent man to death. The JLC cannot support capital punishment at this time. Article 3: "Grave emergencies" is a slippery slope, and it would only be a matter of time before the law slides farther and farther away from protecting the life and rights of the individual (even prisoners). We must disagree with this proposal. |
| Date | 03:36:33, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | Rights of individuals are neither national or international. They exist prior to government, seperate and superior. It is the duty of government to recognize this truth, and respect the freedom of the individual. A responsible government has the duty then to protect its citizens from any foreign power which would seek to act against them, for whatever cause. It is the responsibility of those foreign powers to do the same for their citizens. A moral standpoint? It is highly immoral to take funds from the non-criminal members of society and utilize them to provide food, clothing, shelter, and recreation time to convicted murderers for the rest of their natural lives, when that same murderer could be dealt with for the cost of a single bullet or rope. If legislation allowed, We would propose that torture be allowed in emergency situations, but in cases where it is later found that the suspect was innocent, the suspect be entitled to recover substantial punitive damages. |
| Date | 05:45:53, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Peoples Revolutionary Front | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | Disagree |
| Date | 08:31:08, September 06, 2007 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Happiness Front | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | Torture and capital punishment are useful tools for a revolutionary government. Unfortunately there is no revolutionary government. By themselves I MIGHT be able to bring myself to vote for them. But I do feel there are good reasons to extradite citizens who have broken the laws of other nations and thus I really see no choice on the matter. |
| Date | 02:55:05, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | Well the solution to "take funds from the non-criminal society" is to make such funding voluntary. Such was the affairs of this great nation not fifty years ago, when citizenship was a voluntary membership. The JLC must err on the side of not mistakenly killing innocents. |
| Date | 09:51:44, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Happiness Front | To | Debating the Restoration of Justice |
| Message | After consultations within our Central Committee we've decided to change our vote. A law against extradition would allow Cildania to be a safe haven from revolutionaries persecuted in other lands. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 358 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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