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Bill: MNP - Malivian National Security Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Anti-Communist Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2455
Description[?]:
| This bill aims to stem and eliminate illegal immigration and expelling those hiding inside Malivia currently. The MNP can not, and will not, stand by while illegal immigration and those who harbor them exists. Malivia has a system in place that allows chosen individuals and their families to be absorbed into Malivian society and culture, and in time become nationals and citizens. Illegal immigrants act as a slap on the face to both legal immigrants and the state and should not be tolerated. Article #1: Malivians are absolutely loyal to their nation, but it is doubtful wither foreigners are capable of showing the same absolute loyalty as those that have lived here all their lives, the nationals. Native Malivian will fight any threat to the state, but what of foreign citizens? Can we expect them to have the same dedication and loyalty to the state? What if they are spies? Saboteurs? While those foreigners are no doubt the minority is it worth taking the chance of admitting them into the military? Article #2: With the exclusion of foreigners in the military and the creation of anti-partisan and immigration control crops we will need a large number of new recruits in the armed forces. This act will ensure that the new recruits are able to be found quickly and efficiently. This is only a temporary measure. Article #3: This measure has proven its effectiveness in the past and the MNP belives that it is still very useful not only to the security of our great state but it could also be useful in helping to eliminate illegal immigration. Article #4: It is a sad realization but sometimes even our fellow Malivians help to smuggle people into our great nation. This act will ensure that people with criminal pasts, especially dealing with human trafficking, will be denied a passport. With this measure we can help stop illegal immigration that is, sadly, assisted by our own people. Article #5: Article five is an essential part of the Malivian National Security Act. By actively searching houses suspected to harbor illegal immigrants we can root them out quickly and efficiently. After being found they will be promptly deported, while the landlords responsible for harboring them will be jailed or fined, depending on the circumstances. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Travel by nationals to foreign nations
Old value:: The nation issues passports to nationals after a cursory security check.
Current: The nation issues passports to nationals after a cursory security check.
Proposed: The nation issues passports to nationals after an invasive security check.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Current: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Proposed: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and expels them from the country.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Discrimination in the military on grounds of race/religion.
Old value:: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Current: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Proposed: Candidates must be of a certain race/religion to have any place in the military.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Travel by foreigners to the nation.
Old value:: The nation imposes minimal border controls on visitors, with cursory security checks, to confirm visitor identities.
Current: The nation imposes minimal border controls on visitors, with cursory security checks, to confirm visitor identities.
Proposed: The nation imposes strict border control on visitors, with intensive security checks, to maintain law and order.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:07:38, September 09, 2007 CET | From | Militarist Party | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | 1. No. We should not discriminate based on race or religion 2. The Militarist Party is indifferent, but leans toward the current value 3. Absolutely not. We must uphold our own honor 4. Fully Supportive 5. Indifferent 6. Supportive 7. Indifferent, but leaning towards the current value |
| Date | 03:29:28, September 10, 2007 CET | From | Supporters of Science in Design (IP) | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | 1. We will accept keeping people out of the military from countries we may be engaging in conflict with. (Such as Deltaria.) Is that what you have planned? 2. We can support this if the term is brief outside of war time. Otherwise we will have to oppose this, due to the negative impact this would have on the economy. 3. If they are war criminals we can accept this. 4. Support, for the sake of keeping peace. 5. Reasoning? We are leaning towards opposing this 6. Can support. 7. Oppose. |
| Date | 23:35:10, September 10, 2007 CET | From | National Anti-Communist Front | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | OOC: Sorry I have not put up a description up ‘till now, I have been very busy. If you look up a the bill description you should see one now. |
| Date | 00:06:05, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Militarist Party | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | 1. We still believe that the Malivian military, or government, for that matter, should discriminate based on race and religion. Does it always matter how much dedication they put forth? For all it's worth, we could very well employ foreigners in penal battalions, if that is the preference of the majorirty and the people. 2. We believe the current value is fine for now, but we are indifferent on whichever passes. 3. Passing this article is a blight upon our honor. As long as this Article is active, the Militarist Party will oppose this bill. We need not throw away our integrity and decency against our enemies. 4. The Militarist Party expresses its full support for this Article |
| Date | 00:48:44, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Radical Labor Confederation | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | The Red Panthers will not support this at all, and if this is passed, will prove an ill time for Malivia. |
| Date | 01:12:12, September 11, 2007 CET | From | National Anti-Communist Front | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | OOC: Article seven removed, added description for articles five and six. IC: Would the MP support this bill fully if Article 3 was removed? We question why the MP does not support article one? The manpower lost will be made up for, replaced by more loyal recruits who fully support Maliva, not foreigners with questionable allegiances. We agree with the SSD on article two, that is why the measure will also be temporary. We would also like to point out that the foreigners discharged will have to find work in other fields, so the blow would be softened. Do the Red Panthers have any reasons to support their statement or are they just dribbling more communist lies? |
| Date | 03:57:46, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Radical Labor Confederation | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | 1) Why should it matter what race or religion a person is? 2) Drafting is a no-no. 3) Torture is a no-no. 4) We don't feel like closing the borders. 5) Same as above. 6) Why waste government resources on this? Overall, we don't see why these are needed as Malivia isn't at a state of war to our knowledge. |
| Date | 16:51:21, September 11, 2007 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | Article 1: who are we permitting to join the military. From the bills wording it seems the intent is to only permit citizens, but the article is more restrictive then this. Ar ewe only permitting natural born citizens of the correct race? As to the rest we feel the Protectorates have been clear that the oppose security checks and restrictions on naturalization. An open society is one where we would have no fear or those who are envious of us, would be free to join us. |
| Date | 22:24:02, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Malivi Revolutionary Front | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | The MRF fully supports these measures, but suggests that they be re-directed at keeping out or eradicating potential reactionary elements - priests, the bourgeoisie and other slaves of imperialism. |
| Date | 00:50:44, September 12, 2007 CET | From | Malivian National Unity Front | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | The Malivian National Unity Front is watching intently and is awaiting further discourse. |
| Date | 04:57:06, September 12, 2007 CET | From | New Conservative Party of Malivia | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | This is xenophobic, and foolish. The New Conservatives refuse to support such racist measures as articles one, four, five and six. The entire bill is oppressive, but we would particularly like to register concern at article 3. What you propose is allowing us to commit inhumane and cruel actions against prisoners. The New Conservative Party cannot, in good conscience, allow this Bill to pass. |
| Date | 07:28:34, September 12, 2007 CET | From | National Anti-Communist Front | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | OOC: Article one is a mix of both, but mostly natural citizenship. We are saddened by both the N.C.P.M's and PP's lack of support. This bill is good for the state of Malivia and her people how can both parties not see this. How can we give soldiers of questionable loyalty the responsibility defending our people, that can not be allowed in good conscience. If we must make broad assumptions about other peoples heritage to help our military in defending our nation then so be it. |
| Date | 21:08:44, September 12, 2007 CET | From | Militarist Party | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | This is the Militarist Party's final positions on ALL Articles until the bill is amended: 1. We still believe that the Malivian military, or government, for that matter, should discriminate based on race and religion. Does it always matter how much dedication they put forth? For all it's worth, we could very well employ foreigners in penal battalions, if that is the preference of the majorirty and the people. 2. We believe the current value is fine for now, but we are indifferent on whichever passes. 3. Passing this article is a blight upon our honor. As long as this Article is active, the Militarist Party will oppose this bill. We need not throw away our integrity and decency against our enemies. 4. The Militarist Party expresses its full support for this Article 5. The Militarist Party is indifferent on this Article but leans toward the Proposed value 6. The Militarist Party fully supports this Article. Illegal immigrants have no right to take jobs from legal immigrants and Malivian citizens. However, our support of some articles will mean nothing as long as Article III is on the table. We will not support this bill unless it is removed. |
| Date | 15:57:48, September 13, 2007 CET | From | National Anti-Communist Front | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | The MNP wishes to gain the support of the MP on this bill so the article relating to prisoners of war has been removed. |
| Date | 21:08:51, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Militarist Party | To | Debating the MNP - Malivian National Security Act |
| Message | With the removal of Article III, the Militarist Party will support this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 274 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 139 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 187 |
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