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Bill: Euthanasia
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2098
Description[?]:
| My grandfather had cancer all over his ENTIRE body. He couldnt speak because it was in his vocal chords. He could barely walk. He had to be on a respirator to breath because it covered his lungs. He ended up taking the hose out of his nose in the middle of the night, suffucating himself, just so he wouldnt have to suffer any more. You would rather see him live through that? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to euthanasia.
Old value:: Euthanasia is illegal and considered murder.
Current: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Proposed: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:51:17, August 15, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Marxist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | Yes, but how do you determine consent? People have gotten away with murder under less stressful situations. That is my only problem. If there were a medical rationale option, I would support it. But there isn't. Go post that idea on the forums. |
| Date | 03:02:18, August 16, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | We will support this |
| Date | 03:17:19, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Marxist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | You are still failing to see that this may prevent future treatment. As said, if there were a medical rationale, as in the case of your grandfather, I would support this. But now, anyone in any degree of pain may request euthanasia. |
| Date | 04:15:55, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | We are against this. And we also...*shudder* agree with PMP. |
| Date | 09:02:17, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | WE ARE AGAINST! |
| Date | 04:08:46, August 17, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Marxist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | Ech... I really don't like the people supporting my side. As of now, the two options are objective. I would prefer that there has to be a medical reasoning behind such state-assisted suicides, only when recovery is impossible as in the case of your grandfather. |
| Date | 07:00:12, August 17, 2005 CET | From |  Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | You have to have consent from a doctor. Isnt that enough medical reasoning? |
| Date | 18:19:22, August 17, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | Doctors cannot give consent "First, do no harm" killing someone is harm. |
| Date | 22:17:24, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | No its HELPING! They are already harmed by their suffering. |
| Date | 02:11:34, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Marxist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | Right but such an objective measure is just stupid. Medical rationale and colleague council under chance of malpractice suit if deemed unneccesary. |
| Date | 21:59:22, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | Well then I hope all that voted no suffer a horrible death. |
| Date | 22:37:19, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Marxist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia |
| Message | Listen as I said, your grandfather is one case where it should be supported. What you want it as is anyone with a broken leg who can push for pity can get state-supported suicide. Medical rationale and chance of malpractice suit should be the choice, but it isn't one. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 71 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 184 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "From my point of view, the killing of another, except in defense of human life, is archistic, authoritarian, and therefore, no anarchist can commit such deeds. It is the very opposite of what anarchism stands for." - Jo Labadie |