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Bill: Military Preparedness
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tuesday Is Coming
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2097
Description[?]:
| Our military shall reserve the right to develop and retain any weapon deemed necessary for the defense of Lodamun. These weapons shall never be used in a first strike, but will be considered as options for use in retaliation. Passage of this bill will withdraw Lodamun from any treaties in conflict with this bill. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:13:16, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | I will never support this bill. |
| Date | 03:13:37, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | I, on the other hand, will. |
| Date | 04:47:39, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | please do bear in mind that our policy on chemical and biological weapons may affect our relations with other states. We suggest separate votes on nuclear and CBW. |
| Date | 05:23:58, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | for instance, if a nuclear arms bill is proposed, we will vote against but otherwise remain silent. If a chemical weapons bill passes, we will urge all countries in the world to impose sanctions against Lodamun and do all within our power to unseat the government. There is no rational reason to have chemical weapons. There are now only ten countries in the world that keep these barabaric weapons. We should think long and hard before joining the company of New Endralon and the other rogue states. (Or in real life, Saddam's Iraq & company.) |
| Date | 05:38:09, August 16, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | Urge all nations all you like. We still consider this treason, but we cannot do anything about it at the moment. If another nation makes a hostile action agains us, we will retaliate in kind. If you truly care about the people of Lodamun or want peace, you will not pursue a course of action that may place either in jeopardy. The issues are linked. If GA had not made such an absurd fuss over it in the past, we may have separated them; however, our position is clear. We will take all steps necessary to defend the citizens of Lodamun from foreign aggressors. We consider this to be the national government's only true responsibility, and we intend to see to it. |
| Date | 05:50:21, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | to the CUP and PCL: please realize we have the utmost respect for you as parties. However, any law passed authorizing chemical weapons will be met by massive protest on our part, including acts which TIC describes as "treason." We will of course not commit any violent acts, or urge any others to commit violence, but we WILL make an "absurd fuss" to prevent the spread of chemical weapons. There is NO chemical weapons threat of any sort to Lodamun. The acquisition of chemical weapons will make Lodamun a threat to its neighbours. It rests in your hands whether or not this will happen. We beg you to reject the TIC path of warmongering. we trust that the ASP stands by its CBW disarmament intent treaty and will not support chemical weapons possession. |
| Date | 06:08:20, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | CBW weapons in Lodamun are not a threat to all of its neighbors. "Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first." They are only a threat to those that would attack us first. |
| Date | 06:31:18, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | possession of chemical weapons is, in and of itself, a threat to the people of Lodamun and neighbouring countries. |
| Date | 06:42:10, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | Not if other nations respect our sovreign rights. We answer to no other nations, only to the people of Lodamun. |
| Date | 11:05:53, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | Supported strongly. |
| Date | 15:07:33, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | We will not support the construction of chemical and biological weaponry. These are to uncontrolable, too easily used by terrorist groups, and of no great military or deterrent value. We will support the research aspect as this alows countermeasures to be developped. We do support a non first strike nuclear capability. So as, usual - please split this up into separate bills. |
| Date | 15:19:34, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | Bill split into two different ones |
| Date | 17:17:22, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Military Preparedness |
| Message | Thank you for seeing sense and making the split. Obviously we will vote against this one, but are aware it will pass anyway. Our hope is that other parties will be able to take a rational position and reject the CBW bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 294 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 156 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: RP laws follow the same passing rules as in-game variable laws. Laws that are not of a constitutional nature require a simple majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. Laws that are of a constitutional nature require a 2/3 majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. RP laws may be abolished a simple majority vote this applies to ANY RP law. |
| Random quote: First and second class seats on public transport shall be BANNED! We are all FIRST CLASS people, regardless of whether we are rich or poor and can afford or not afford to pay for a more expensive seat. From now on, all seats on trains, buses, trams, planes and so on shall be the SAME. We will all travel in the SAME way, TOGETHER. ~ Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |