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Bill: In Support of Children's Quality of Life
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Cildanian Egoists
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2455
Description[?]:
| RESOLVED: That parents should be economically capable of supporting their children. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on population control.
Old value:: The government does not engage in population control.
Current: The government actively promotes population growth.
Proposed: The government allows a certain number of births each year, and sells birthrights on the market.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:12:38, September 13, 2007 CET | From |  Marxist-Leninist Happiness Front | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | And how do you plan to deal with those who give births illegally without paying the government? So much for the "free" market. If anything we should be encouraging people to have more children and expand Cildania's population givng us a stronger workforce, military, and all around more influence in world affairs. |
| Date | 05:26:52, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Modern technology would allow birth control implants. Also, the policy is not to have a low number of births, or even an extremely high price. Merely to have a high enough price to indicate sufficient financial well-being to support a child. Most crime comes from the poor, and most of the poor were born that way. If the poor stop breeding, then within a generation or two poverty will be essentially eliminated. |
| Date | 05:51:18, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Such a law would be unenforceable and morally bankrupt. |
| Date | 09:34:26, September 13, 2007 CET | From | War is Peace Party | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Again how can you justify this to your mantra of individual freedom? It is immoral for the government to regulate drinking water but for it to tell people who can and can't have babies? You need to get your priorities straight. |
| Date | 17:16:30, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Our priorities are completely straight. We are for capitalism, and for the individual. We would not be telling anyone that they could not have babies. We would be telling them that they must be economically capable of supporting children before they have them. The poor who have children are acting in an irrational manner, with little or no regard to the potential well being of the children they bear. For those who live in poverty to bring children into the world is the gravest form of child abuse, and even our government still acts in opposition to those who would abuse a child. |
| Date | 17:49:16, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | "We would be telling them that they must be economically capable of supporting children before they have them." That is the same as telling someone (below your threshold) they cannot have children. What would you propose to do to the women and children that break your law? Take the children away and support them on the taxpayer dole? Forced abortions? |
| Date | 18:06:17, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Exile them. Then they will become leeches on the prosperity of some other nation, rather than ours. In fact, we should explore the idea of making exile the preferred punishment for other crimes. Why expend taxpayer dollars on a prison system when we can simply permanently deport the criminals? |
| Date | 18:09:05, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Also, you argue against your own stated principles when you say a requirement of economic ability is absolute. Do you now deny the basic principle, of both individualism and capitalism, that one may improve his or her station in life, and rise to a higher economic status? If you believe in the principle of upward mobility, then a law such as this would not be a permanent restriction, merely a temporary delaying factor. |
| Date | 18:45:13, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Of course I do, I was speaking of the specific time as the woman is pregnant but not economically solvent for two. Exiling them is pretty monstrous, and it violates the property rights of whatever foreign land you banish them to. Or did you mean to use Heinlein's idea of roping off a "Coventry"? |
| Date | 19:19:43, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | The conventry idea has merit, I was thinking more of picking nations so morally decayed as to be beyond redemption, and thrusting the exiles upon them--we cannot violate the property rights of citizens in a nation that fails to recognize them. |
| Date | 02:32:05, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Peoples Revolutionary Front | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Bill Defeated. |
| Date | 03:23:17, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Rather soundly too. Sad that so few care for the quality of life of Cildania's children. |
| Date | 04:43:49, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | If you want to care for the childern of Cildania then approve the Child Benefit and universal education |
| Date | 07:39:42, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the In Support of Children's Quality of Life |
| Message | Such things would not aid children! The so-called "Child Benefit" does nothing but encourage people who are not financially capable of raising children to do so anyway, and because of the nature of the funding of their upbringing, they are imbued from birth with a sense of entitlement, a sense that it is the duty of government to care for them, which they will carry into their adult lives. As for universal government education, such a thing is of great harm to a child, stunting his mental growth through low-quality mandatory education, which takes up time that could have been spent on endeavors that actually expand knowledge and capability. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 142 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 241 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 42 |
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