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Bill: Cildanian Expansion Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Marxist-Leninist Happiness Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2455
Description[?]:
| Cildania is a great nation. But unfortunately is but a small speck in the world. In order to have a larger footprint in world affairs we must increase our population to bring in more workers to our factories, more soldiers for our armies, and a great voice in world culture. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning immigration.
Old value:: Quotas are based on individual applicant's qualifications.
Current: Quotas are based on individual applicant's qualifications.
Proposed: Everyone is allowed to reside permanently in this nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on population control.
Old value:: The government does not engage in population control.
Current: The government actively promotes population growth.
Proposed: The government actively promotes population growth.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: All refugees are welcome but no financial aid is given to them.
Current: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; they are given integration-aid.
Proposed: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:31:23, September 13, 2007 CET | From |  Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | We would agree to article 1 if it was alone. |
| Date | 13:20:34, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | Would agree to all but article 1. At the moment i admire the immigrants pride in Cildania more than that of the native. The immigrant worked to gain admitance, He struggled for the right, studied up and traveled, posibly though great hardship as in the case of refugees, and won the right though his own time and effort, to live in this country. For for the majority of this bill, we will support it. If we Cannot get what we want we might as well get whatever we can grab. |
| Date | 17:20:07, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | Our colleagues in Action make a good point for once, immigrants do have to meet a higher standard. Qualifications for citizenship should be immediately implemented for those who are born here as well. The franchise should be limited to the individuals who have somehow demonstrated worthiness. |
| Date | 17:44:52, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | Immigrants have to meet a higher standard? Higher than whom? By what standard? Any honest person who knows he can't consume more than he produces should be welcome in Cildania. Any extra discrimination is needless and cruel. |
| Date | 18:12:26, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | Yes, such honest people should be welcome. Which is why the current system is the appropriate one, in which we can ensure that the proper breed of honest immigrant is the only kind we let in. Saying that immigrants have to meet a higher standard is a statement of fact about our current policy: we are currently holding immigrants to a standard of quality, while others receive the benefits of citizenship due to mere happenstance of birth. |
| Date | 22:17:59, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | And you would export all those who do not meet the standards? and at what age would you decied their worth? send childern away from their parents unless they meet 'Imperial' standards at the blossum of youth? decied at sixteen when the mind or work ethic has not yet been formed, or a when they are no longer deemed to be economicly viable and deport the old and weak? |
| Date | 22:38:54, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | The work ethic will be formed well before 16 if a reasonable policy as to child labor is in place. Also, I said nothing of exporting people. To limit the franchise means to limit who may vote, not who may dwell. On the issue of immigrants specifically, obviously any change in standards would apply only to new immigrants, as the old immigrants are immigrants no longer, but admitted citizens. Arguably of a higher order than those born here, given that they had to pass a test. As to the old, if they were intelligent they saved for their retirement, or treated their children well enough that such children will choose to care for them. If they did neither of these things, then they have earned no right to expect to be cared for while non-productive. As to those who are weak due to concerns other than age, their families may care for them as well. If they have no families, their friends may do so. If they have not family or friends, then there will be no one to care if they are cared for, and the question becomes irrelevant. |
| Date | 23:22:58, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | And what if the party decied that all those who did not agree with ICE policy were ineffinct to the economy, That all those who did not fit the view of the perfect Cildenian in the eyes of the leadership, would they not be deported, all untill our fair nation is a barron empty land with only the good emperor sitting in parliment alone with his paranoia? You do realise that none of these polices work outside of your own head, The nation is driving headlong to oblivion on the back of a party which can only understand the science-fiction works of middle-class nieve students who had never known a day of true hardship in their lives nor had to work to where they got. They fail to take into account that people are not as numbers, each is different to one another, the indivual is not the perfect object as humans are imperfect. You have no grasp of the long term, and for that the nation is doomed. |
| Date | 23:49:52, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Cildanian Expansion Act |
| Message | So little faith do you have in Cildania. Again, who in this debate has spoken of deportation? As to inefficiency, the economy itself declares who is inefficient. They are known as the unemployed, to be distinguished from the retired by the fact that the retired make sure they have sufficient accumulated assets before they cease working. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 118 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 265 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 42 |
| Random fact: In cases where players have failed to clearly and accurately reference their nation's RP laws in the "Bills under debate" section, Moderation will rule them invalid if a challenge is made to their validity. |
| Random quote: "We are told that this is an odious and unpopular tax. I never knew a tax that was not odious and unpopular with the people who paid it." - John Sherman |