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Bill: Working Class Reforms

Details

Submitted by[?]: Peoples Revolutionary Front

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: February 2500

Description[?]:

I can only hope Morality Exists In some of your minds here....

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date04:30:51, September 14, 2007 CET
From Action
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageIts too much too far
Action are undecied about weither or not to support it.

Date04:44:53, September 14, 2007 CET
From Imperial Cildanian Egoists
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageGovernment health care, plus heavy government regulation of private health care to ensure "quality". Laughable. Unless of course you want our citizens flocking to other nations for their health care. When health care is nationalized, quality drops, and all who can afford to do so go to other nations for superior, more expensive care, while the poor suffer under a uniformly bad system.

Date07:07:30, September 14, 2007 CET
From Action
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageNational Healthcare if properly funded and regulated and not based on the 1936 system, but rather on the see and treat principle are among the best in the world.
there is no reason for private health care to be superior, the cases of people dying while the hospitals run a credit check, while extremely rare and over-sensationalised show that fact. but also that If a hospital is run as a buisiness then it is run solely to make a profit, not to ensure the quality of the service or the success rate.
yes there are some private hospotals run as hospitals, but they are by far in the minority

Date08:28:47, September 14, 2007 CET
From Imperial Cildanian Egoists
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageThe reason quality of care is superior in non-nationalized systems is very simple. Doctors go through very expensive education for a long period of years. The best doctors usually want the best pay. The best pay comes from private healthcare. Nationalized systems generally end up getting the doctors who couldn't get higher paying jobs somewhere else. In some cases money isn't everything. In health care it is.

Date11:16:42, September 14, 2007 CET
From Action
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageIn societies which arnt completely market dominated, where greed is not the most powerfull emotion and the media, education, government and indeed those people conditioned into sadi society implant constantly the cult of mammon into the minds of their childern the NHS is the most successfull of systems. The quality is assured above all else and cost is secondary to conditions, The health of the people is seen as more important and so those doctors do to the hospitals where they can do the most good and gain the highest level of pride from doing so.

Date11:21:40, September 14, 2007 CET
From Action
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageAction violently disagrees with article two
but will support this bill.
Action beleives in competition, and would prefer a State-run National Bank to run alongside smaller banking establishments.

Date16:58:13, December 11, 2007 CET
From Red Anarchy Faction
ToDebating the Working Class Reforms
MessageWe totally oppose article 3 and will seek the reversal of it, but we agree with the rest so we will vote yes.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 16

no
   

Total Seats: 45

abstain
  

Total Seats: 14


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