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Bill: The Great Educational Compromise
Details
Submitted by[?]: Industrialist Party of Aloria
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2457
Description[?]:
| This is a compromise. The largest party, the MLP, believe in forsaking the power to get education that the people have had for years in the name of the free market. A noble pursuit to be sure, but it will have bad repercussions and may result in the lower class getting angry and rising up for free schooling. We need a better system, be sure, but everyone needs to have the chance to choose an education. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Current: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Proposed: Education is private, but the government subsidises the cost of it for everyone
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:41:44, September 18, 2007 CET | From | Industrialist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the The Great Educational Compromise |
| Message | We believe this will allow the competitiveness of the free market (people choosing schools to go to so that schools will be forced to adapt to survive) and the ability for all people to get educated! |
| Date | 15:36:46, September 18, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the The Great Educational Compromise |
| Message | We'd like to see a debate on this issue, actually. This proposal diminishes the main reason DRs oppose wholly private education, which is the loss of educational access for the poor and much of the middle class. But I want to know that other parties think are the benefits and drawbacks of the state delivering educational services versus the private sector delivering them. For now we vote no, just because we don't believe in fixing what isn't broken. But we're open to reasonable arguments from both sides. BTW, we don't really find fully persuasive the "market competitiveness" argument. It has some merit. But the reality is, even for subsidized schooling, I think the most heavily weighed variable iin determining where parents send their kids to school will be convenience to the parents, which means proximity to the parents. Worse, we've also heard told stories of areas that have tried school choice models, where the schools have competed to *lower* academic standards in order to retain more students. We don't think that's a desirable result, and we'd like to know if conservatives think there's a way to prevent that. |
| Date | 23:02:11, September 18, 2007 CET | From |  Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the The Great Educational Compromise |
| Message | If the government subsidizes it, then how is it private??? |
| Date | 02:29:58, September 19, 2007 CET | From | Industrialist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the The Great Educational Compromise |
| Message | It's a balance of the system we have now and the wholly private education you propose. Compare it to the government hiring companies to build roads and public works. Or hiring a service to see how much land is worth to tax it. It's a compromise people, it happens in a democratic society sometimes. Sometimes compromises turn out to be better than either side could ask for. Truly, the Keepers are growing fond of the idea of private education with the tuition payed for by the government. And DR: A) The parents have ultimate choice on where to send kids, not the children and... B) educational standards are that of opinion. One may argue student led education is the way to go, and others argue for strict a curriculum. The fact is that different kids work under different conditions and with the only free schools in this country being cookie cutter government run and the rare charity religious/specialty schools our nation's poor children can't get the kind of education they may need. We even started a print campaign called "LOOK AT THE PROS!". LOOK AT THE PROS: *A revitalized education industry will 5pour lots and lots of money into the economy! *Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Well paying ones too. The government just can't afford to pay those teachers that much, but the private sector can! *A more diverse schooling environment that is totally free for the masses. Looks like junior can finally go to that high standards school you couldn't afford before! *Competition will root out the ineffective schools. If enough parents don't like the school and how it teaches bankrupt it goes! It was probably ineffective anyhow.. *Everyone still gets to go to school. The best of both worlds, public and private, socialist and capitalist! All at the same time! The Keepers believe that those in favor of a better economy, a freer market, but still in favor of education for the masses should... URGE YOUR SENATOR TO VOTE YES ON THIS BILL! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 91 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 609 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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