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Bill: The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Army Left Movement
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2461
Description[?]:
| Granting a minum salary for every honest worker, no more cheap worker, only worker with rights |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There is no provision for a minimum wage.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level considered a "living wage," well above the poverty line for a full time worker.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:07:39, September 22, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation |
| Message | "The worker still left on his own, he need some help to make his future bright" F.Bertin - Communist Party of UPZ |
| Date | 05:09:07, September 23, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation |
| Message | "Let's pretend for a moment the Liberty Party agreed. Let's set it at 10$ per hour. Now, wages are determined by how much a worker can produce. If a certain worker can't produce more then 10$ per hour, they're unemployable, or, if they are employed, the business will just collapse eventually. Those who produce more then 10$ will not need such laws, but as the welfare state your attempting the create has made people stupid, unproductive and useless that employers have no choice but to employ them and hope that they work hard for their wage, losing a substantial amount of profit along the way, that they have to employer workers who are worth more then 10$ an hour at the minimum wage just to balance the sheet. As you can see, the minimum wage spells disaster for all workers who want to produce more then average to move up in life financially, and, in the long term, all workers as a collective. Not to mention the economy and our international trade competitiveness. Or our quality of life......still want a minimum wage?" ~James Allan, Shadow Minister of Trade for the Liberty Party |
| Date | 11:26:39, September 23, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation |
| Message | "bla bla bla....that what i heard...just a lot of words just for say what? Nothing! Capitalism is your way and your words reflect that! You want slave not workers with some rights, you want to dispose of them as you please and as you want. I cannot agree with you! You just say that is better poverty than a decent life....is this that you want for your nation? ... F.Bertin - Communist Party of UPZ |
| Date | 19:10:20, September 23, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation |
| Message | "This is why Communism is met with such antipathy. Debate is met with mindless rhetoric picked out of a hat. I'm suprised Mr Bertin did not quote Lenin or Mao." -Charles Tammworth, Lord Byngham, Directory Member |
| Date | 07:59:13, September 24, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation |
| Message | "I am equally shocked as my colleague in the Cavalier Party. Just look at the workers who lived under Communism. They didn't get much of a life. Free market capitalism is the only solution to poverty and slave wages. If every only produced what a slave produced, then they deserve their slave wage. If they produce more, they earn more. Thus the free market approach to wages is the best way to spur the economy, increase productivity and therefore raise the quality of life. Setting a minimum wage abolishes that system, the workforce will become lazy, they don't have to work hard, the state ensures they get enough to support their lazy, useless lives. Those who do want to get ahead can't, their employers will lose so much revenue due to the lazy majority that the business simply can't afford to pay productive workers what they're worth. Obviously, there will always be some unethical, unfair circumstances. But the beauty of capitalism is that with no disincentive to employ workers and start up business (compulsory safety conditions etc and corporation tax), there will be so many jobs available that every worker will be able to get a decent job, and build from there. Capitalism is not a perfect system. But it's certainly the best." ~James Allan |
| Date | 08:15:26, September 24, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation |
| Message | *You bloody Communists show you know NOTHING ABOUT OUR WAGE SYSTEM in your pathetic reply that I, and I don't think I'm alone here, struggled to understand. If you don't understand the basic principles of the free market, YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE ZARDUGALI ECONOMY! YOU ARE NOT FIT TO EVEN HAVE CANDIDATES STAND BEFORE THE VOTERS!" *The Member for Wentworth will resume his seat!* |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 224 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 177 |
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