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Bill: New Flag
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Authoritarian Movement
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2465
Description[?]:
| What about a new (modern day) flag? 5 stripes - one for each province. Furhermore a black dragon (because our national animal is black, not white like the old flag) Colours kept unchanged. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://home.cfl.rr.com/kimikosto/zardugal.gif
Current: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/particracy/images/0/0a/Greek_zard.png/revision/latest?cb=20231212162908
Proposed: http://ip.thomas-ney.com/img/nexxor/zardugal.gif
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:06:50, September 25, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Even better: http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/upz.png |
| Date | 19:56:46, September 25, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | I'd prefer no dragon altogether, and perhaps replace the white with yellow or gold. |
| Date | 19:58:14, September 25, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Well, but then we should discuss a completely new flag, because just 5 different-coloured stripes aren't that fascinating ;) |
| Date | 05:10:49, September 26, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | True, but in my opinion, a flag should be smiple, without a lot of "busy-ness" on it. Something simple like a tri-colour, or a cross like Britain's. A star would be preferable over the dragon. |
| Date | 05:11:28, September 26, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Also, could you make the image bigger, too? Its dreadfully small! :P |
| Date | 08:53:14, September 26, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Okay, i'll make another try. Which's the better kind of flag? The (bigger) flat one, or the small (but more authentic) one? |
| Date | 10:26:11, September 26, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | But even simple flags have a meaning, so maybe we could get some ideas which colours/symbols to use. Here are 4 new suggestions: http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag1.gif http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag2.gif http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag3.gif http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag4.gif |
| Date | 15:25:06, September 26, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Further 2 suggestions. This was all on my side now. Give up some suggestions now. http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag5.gif http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag6.gif |
| Date | 15:32:45, September 26, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag7.gif |
| Date | 16:17:04, September 26, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | You're just a flag-making machine! These are really nice. (I wish some other people would give some input!) Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I just didn't like the dragon... Anyway, my favourites are number 3, and number 7. But 3 is definitely my top favourite! I like the authentic-looking ones, definitely. It adds a lot of character. |
| Date | 17:07:48, September 26, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | My favorite is flag 6, while I can accept 1, 3, 5 and 7 too. I don't like 2 and 4 that much. Any other suggestions? You don't need to make an own one. Just post your ideas here. |
| Date | 03:07:59, September 27, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | I'd accept six so long as it is made just a little bit bigger! |
| Date | 04:40:16, September 27, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Hmm. They're all a bit complex aren't they? I still remember as a 7 year old having to draw the Union Jack on the Australian flag and never getting it right. I really prefer simplistic designs. I'll give you the link to my flag, see if you can work with it a little bit... |
| Date | 04:46:15, September 27, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | http://www.ausflag.com.au/new/pfdc/images/050.gif |
| Date | 13:14:51, September 27, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | New suggestion: http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag7.gif 050.gif features the southern cross, which is a little bit to oceanic in my eyes. To the size debate: The gameengine always sizes down flags to a size of 120x80px. Therefore I suggest to make it with this size in order to prevent ugly effects of the downsize. Or what did you meant by "a little bit bigger"? |
| Date | 13:15:21, September 27, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | oh, sorry: flag8.gif of course. |
| Date | 03:57:58, September 28, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Meh, it's a nice, simplistic symbol. I don't really mind, I picked it because of the Zardugali color scheme. |
| Date | 04:00:31, September 28, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | OHHHHH, I just got an idea! How about the 3 flag, but with something more simplistic in the middle, like a black dragon maybe? Or even a Jack in the top right hand corner, a dragon? |
| Date | 09:59:05, September 28, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | We already discussed about the dragon. There should be no dragon on the flag any longer. If there should be an animal on the flag, it should be something more common (I chose an eagle, since he's on many flags). My favorites are: http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag6.gif and http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag8.gif What are the Zardugal colours? Black, Red and White (like now) or Black, Yellow, Red |
| Date | 07:04:54, September 29, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Sorry, missed the dragon discussion, here's two new ideas: Red and black horozontial stripes, thick enough so maybe 4 or 6 make up the entire background of the flag. In the middle, a white star with 5 points, half as tall as the flag, with the with the width being as tall as the flag too, representing the 5 provinces and the white part of the zardugali colors. Red and black make up the other two traditional colors. OR . Sames stripes layout, but, like the second Eagle flag, have that 5 point white star where the ealge is on http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag8.gif, against a black background. That would look great, visually stunning but quite simplistic in design. Obviously, the star might have to be resized to fit in my secondf flag idea. .......... Now that I think about it, I really like that second idea. Could you try and make it for me? |
| Date | 15:54:54, September 29, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Equal height and width isn't that good because the game always stretches flags to a size of 120x80px. Your second suggestions sounds like the flag of Cuba (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Flag_of_Cuba.svg) or Puerto Rico (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg) which is too much reallife-based in my eyes. |
| Date | 18:06:48, September 29, 2007 CET | From | Stoic Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | I deffinatly like the ripple effect, any of the designs I have seen thus far are good by me. Except I don't like flag 7 as much because I am not that into blue. I would stick to the red black and white/yellow sceme. |
| Date | 18:36:00, September 29, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | So if there aren't any new suggestions, I'll set flag8 into voting. |
| Date | 12:52:19, September 30, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Wait, flag8 is exactly what I'm describing, but the stripes are red and black, and instead of that German coat of arms (hehe, I know you didn't draw that yourself, I thought it looked German and when I learn you were a Berliner I googled it to be sure) there's a 5 pointed star of federation. I've uploaded a VERY rough estimate of what a proper flag maker like yourself could use to make a better version of it. It's up to you. |
| Date | 12:55:15, September 30, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004532901008542190"><img border="0" src="http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/30584/2004532901008542190_th.jpg" alt="Free Image Hosting at allyoucanupload.com |
| Date | 12:56:08, September 30, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Whoops, wrong one. Here we are: http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/30584/2004532901008542190_rs.jpg |
| Date | 10:13:39, October 01, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | It's not that good to have the same colours bordering each other. I made two new flages based on your idea http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag9.gif http://www.aoe-network.de/img/nexxor/flag10.gif |
| Date | 19:43:00, October 01, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | i like the #8. And really great job in making all those! |
| Date | 09:38:11, October 02, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Flag 8 is my favorite too. If there are no new responses during the day, I'll set flag 8 up to vote because Ihave to push this discussion a little bit further. |
| Date | 10:26:51, October 02, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Loving flag9. |
| Date | 12:56:51, October 02, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | Even if it's not my favorite, I've chosen to set flag9 into vote. Maybe we will change it again later, but I want to finish up this discussion. |
| Date | 18:31:25, October 02, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | i still prefer the #8, but ill go with it. |
| Date | 13:46:09, October 03, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the New Flag |
| Message | I prefer it to. I'll keep it stored and maybe we discuss about it later. At the moment, I just want to finish up this discussion. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 316 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 85 |
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