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Bill: Identity card offers

Details

Submitted by[?]: National Authoritarian Movement

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 2463

Description[?]:

Since other states want to control tourists by it, the state should offer identity cards to all people who like to travel to other countries

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date06:47:02, September 29, 2007 CET
FromLiberty Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
Message"The Liberty Party believes in individual responsobility and law and order. If ID cards are avaliable on a voluntary basis and asist the enforcement of laws, the Liberty Party doesn't see any reason to reget this system"

~Liberty Party Spokesman

Date15:13:52, September 29, 2007 CET
FromStoic Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageOOC: Is this like interstate passports or like the Real ID program?

Date15:27:40, September 29, 2007 CET
FromNational Authoritarian Movement
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageSince these passports are on a voluntary basis, they are more like interstate passports.

Date17:02:38, September 29, 2007 CET
FromStoic Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageI have the feeling that this could be abused easily

- Zeno

Date17:09:50, September 29, 2007 CET
FromNational Authoritarian Movement
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageIn what way? Identity cards will only be printed on demand by the specific person.

Date17:21:10, September 29, 2007 CET
FromStoic Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageBut it does give grounds to tracking citizens movements through the country and is form of spying, even though voluntary.

Date17:35:00, September 29, 2007 CET
FromNational Authoritarian Movement
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageWell, a passport contains only these information, the state already knows (like name, date of birth...)

Date18:02:11, September 29, 2007 CET
FromLibertad Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
Message"While we do believe that this would aid in the tracking of future criminals, the fact that it is voluntary means that any desiring to be a criminal may just refuse to get one, negating it's effects. Therefore, we think ID cards should be either mandatory or not provided." - Donovan Christoph

Date18:15:07, September 29, 2007 CET
FromNational Authoritarian Movement
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageWell, if that's the common opinion, then we should handle passparts as a mandatory.

I mean, there's nothing serious about a passport. The state will need it in several cases and I dont see any risk of abuse by a state like Zardugal.

Date18:19:34, September 29, 2007 CET
FromLibertad Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
Message"It is not the state that we fear will abuse the system, but rather the people who make up the state." - Donovan Christoph

Date09:50:39, September 30, 2007 CET
FromLiberty Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageOCC:
Since these things are voluntary, I'm treating them like inter-state passports. Only someone who needed to be tracked and monitored for travel reasons, and one who'd permit that through requesting a card would be affected by this measure, and in a positive way.

I'm libertarian to the bone and I see no problem with this.

Date09:51:08, September 30, 2007 CET
FromLiberty Party
ToDebating the Identity card offers
MessageFurthermore, I don't see how this could be "abused".

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 157

no
    

Total Seats: 244

abstain
 

Total Seats: 0


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