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Bill: Intelligence Services Provision Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Liberal Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2098
Description[?]:
| We believe that Telamon must be able to defend itself and to obtain important information on our enemies as well as preventing them from obtaining information on us. As such we propose the creation of the Commonwealth Intelligence & Defence Agency (CIDA) to co-ordinate such intelligence and defence operations. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation maintains no intelligence agency.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:53:19, August 18, 2005 CET |
From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Intelligence Services Provision Act | | Message | We are simply giving ourselves the option of defending our country through covert means. We do not anticipate assassinations etc. to be part of the angecies activities and simply we expect most activities to be counter-espionage related. It is simply the case that like nuclear and CB weapons we retain the right for defensive purposes |
| Date | 22:59:06, August 18, 2005 CET |
From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Intelligence Services Provision Act | | Message | It hurts our image on the international stage, it looks like we are going to do these things (look at Mossad in the 70's and 80's and hte CIA throughout the cold war). If you can supply a reason that we may need these abilities then I might consider it. |
| Date | 13:12:52, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Intelligence Services Provision Act | | Message | Rationalists & PMP: We need the option to be there in case it is necessary and to provide adequate defence - you surely cannot belive that other states will not spy on us. It is in exactly the same mode as our other defence laws in which we have reserved the right to develop NBC weapons but undertake not to use them first (& hopefully not at all). If people would rather that we have the middle option which is simply provide sureveillance, then I could agree to that - in fact that was the option that I originally considered but I did then feel that it unnecessarily constrained us. This bill will not harm our international image any more than us continuing to have NBC weapons has amongst those who have banned them. The fact that we do have NBC weapons has not so far adversly affected our foreign policy and I do not believe that this bill iwl either (otherwise I would not have proposed it) |
| Date | 17:53:53, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Intelligence Services Provision Act | | Message | The reason we proposed this option was not so that we could engage in covert attacks on others, but because we felt that the other option may not give us enough power to properly defend against and prevent covert attacks on us by others. |
| Date | 21:15:36, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Intelligence Services Provision Act | | Message | PMP: We undestand (to an extent) your problems with the bill, but if we have no itelligence agency then we will be really disadvantaged in trying to defend Telamon against those countries which may be aggressive towards us. It is a preventative and defensive measure only and would be under strict government and Parliamentary oversight |
| Date | 22:34:37, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Intelligence Services Provision Act | | Message | "The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries"- There is nothing defensive about this. It is purely a tool to destabilise our neighbours. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 190 |
| no | Total Seats: 41 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 24 |
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