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Bill: Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2465
Description[?]:
| A few basic security protocols, which we expect all patriots to rush forward to embrace. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Current: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Proposed: The police may only disperse a crowd if a state of emergency has been declared.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: No curfew policies may be established.
Current: No curfew policies may be established.
Proposed: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are immediately returned to their own government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:29:16, October 03, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | We oppose the AMSuDP's policy of turning Likatonia into a police state. |
| Date | 00:22:32, October 04, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | All we have tried to do, is put the discretion to declare an emergency... on the table. |
| Date | 01:42:33, October 04, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | Sensible policies for a happier Likatonia |
| Date | 07:53:46, October 04, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | As usual, the AMSuDP put manage a step forward but fail to go the distance. While the sentiment is somewhat agreeable the execution is half hearted. We support, if only to give the liberal whiners something to complain about. Immerson would roll over in his grave. We think maybe a few MacArthur Park style debates are in order. |
| Date | 13:53:46, October 04, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | We thank the LFF, but we do wonder how the obviously resurrected One True God can do anything in 'his grave'... much less roll over? |
| Date | 17:28:37, October 04, 2007 CET | From | Libertà Parti | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | Article 1 counters the very same bill you previously proposed. The current state of civil service is your invention. Also, there is no way I would vote for your current proposal. Article 2 actually hurts the security of Likatonia by giving the enemy men they need to fight us with. Articles 3 and 4 seriously hurt freedom. If the Likatonian people wish to remove us, all power to them. So far as to FOREIGN subversives (as I believe domestic subversion should be legal), there is no way they would succeed; the Likatonian people would unite and counter their attempts. Besides, we are much too powerful to be overthrown by the foreigner minorities. |
| Date | 02:59:06, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | Article One may counter previous legislation by members of the party currently called the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei. This is indeed possible. But then, this party has - in one form or another - been proposing legislation within this nation for several hundred years. It is likely we have changed position a number of times on various issues. Article Two does, indeed, re-distribute the men the enemy needs to fight us. Which means that our enemies then have to pay to accomodate them. And to re-train them. And to re-equip them. And to redeploy them. It means we don't have to waste valuable men and equipment preventing POW's from escaping. It means we don't have to worry about the threats to our own security, that are inherent in housing trained enemy combatants within our borders. It means that we can actually place fifth-columnists within an enemy nation, should we so desire. We see no real downside to this plan. Regarding the Liberta Parti position on domestic subversion... we had not expected such a blatant display of treachery. "If... ...people wish to remove us, all power to them", "I believe domestic subversion should be legal", "we are much too powerful...". Your words of treason shall be remembered. |
| Date | 18:07:21, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Libertà Parti | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | (1) We could always kill all POWs on sight if that is your argument against holding POWs. (2) To the contrary, siding with yourself and the state over the will of the people is the real treachery. If the Likatonian people wanted to overthrow us, to stop them would be the ultimate betrayal. A nation is much more than its government! |
| Date | 01:18:21, October 06, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | 1) If the Liberta mob thinks that is anything resembling our argument, they completely failed to understand it. 2) Siding with rebellious elements, over the elected government IS treachery. Siding with rebellious elements, over the rest of the Likatonian population, IS treachery. The Liberta Parti are dangerously close to electing themselves as 'enemies of the state'. |
| Date | 10:26:09, October 06, 2007 CET | From | Libertà Parti | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Security |
| Message | "Siding with rebellious elements, over the rest of the Likatonian population, IS treachery." If this elected government got out of control and you still sided with it, I guess you'd be a traitor too. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 286 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 380 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: It is not allowed to call more than 5 elections in 5 game years in a nation. The default sanction for a player persisting in the early election tactic will be a seat reset. |
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