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Bill: support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu
Details
Submitted by[?]: CSA Communist Party of the DPRK
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2466
Description[?]:
| they asked me to see if we would support them in a war againist Beiteynu. there reason: "Because they're being all militaristic, and seem to want war with us." |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:41:35, October 05, 2007 CET | From |  Ma'avak | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "It is a shame that the proud nation of Kazulia is allowing itself to be bullied into supporting the Sekowan thugs in this manner. Sadly it would appear that you have been given a distorted version of the truth by your nearby neighbours and have not been told of the real story. Beiteynu originally planned to send a small brigade of scientists, sociologists and a minimal amount of soldiers to Squibble to ascertain the makeup of the land and its people but following the Sekowan decision to attempt to annex the entire of the continent and continue its brutal colonialisation of the eastern world we have been forced to respond with this act of liberation. We would ask Kazulia to rethink this bill first on the grounds of supporting human life and dignity, something that Sekowo has no interest in doing, but also if the parties of this nation have any desire to see this glorious nation remain a sovereign and free one. For if the Sekowans, already spreading their claws into the east of Dovani are allowed to get away with this imperialist move then where will they stop? Soon you will find them at your doorstep attempting to invade Kazulia itself in the way they have done to eastern Dovani and a part of Squibble. You are a nation that once suffered under the authoritarian rule of the Vanioka but do not forget the Vanioka themselves were partners of the Panterrans and is it not now Panterrans that run Sekowo? We urge Kazulia to learn from the atrocities of the past and not to allow Sekowo to commit anymore." -- Naczelnik Nasi Delshad Kandelcukier of the Sixth Jewish Homeland of Beiteynu |
| Date | 15:52:12, October 05, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | were good allys we will support each other good and strong! SHAME ON THE JEWISH THEORCRACY THAT WISHES HORROR! WE SHALL NEVER STOP HELPING ARE ALLY! WE WILL SUPPORT THEM FOREVER! THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT IT! THERE WANTING TO ATTACK US AND ARE A THREAT THEY MUST BE STOPED! |
| Date | 17:04:57, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "So Kazulia would support Sekowo in all it does, even when this involved imperialism, plunder and the eventual invasion of Kazulia itself? Furthermore we once again reject the view that Beiteynu is a theocracy as racist and anti-semitic propoganda." -- Naczelnik Nasi Delshad Kandelcukier OOC: And you lot thought the CZP were bad... |
| Date | 18:23:47, October 05, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | its because they ould do never suc ha thing they are very democratic people. were not being racist... its just you should have a religion in a nations name, there should be no national religion cuz that is a theorcracy weather it be judism, mormonism, islam, etc |
| Date | 18:27:42, October 05, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | and also baning homosexuality in the army because of religion and stuff like that is also theorcratc |
| Date | 19:00:30, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "A theocracy is a nation where religious authorities exercise ultimate power in the state. Beiteynu, whilst having a state religion does mandate membership of it and has a clear split between the executive and the clergy and as you will notice no member of the national cabinet or even the Knesset is a religious figure. The Liberal Socialist Party also references the ban of homosexuality in the army as being theocratic but you will notice there are 11 other nations on Terra that have this law and many of them are not religious in the slighest, are they theocratic? Finally you state that Sekowo would never do such a thing as massacre innocent people becaue they are democratic but lest you forget they are lead by fascists, communists and ex-Nuncirists, all ideologies that are committed to the disintegration of democracy and all ideologies that have attempted to overthrow the Kazulian state in the past, we would urge Kazulia to learn from the past mistakes of Terra and repeal their support for Sekowo." -- Naczelnik Nasi Delshad Kandelcukier |
| Date | 19:41:53, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Pertetuum Kazulia | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | What exactly does voting yes or no mean here? Do we then support Sekowo or Beiteynu or neither?? |
| Date | 20:23:26, October 05, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | @PK Beiteynu @A may I remind you that ANYTHING in the goverment that relates to relgioni s theorcratci like a JEWISH homeland? all land should be honeland of all the worlds civilans |
| Date | 20:23:27, October 05, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | @PK Beiteynu @A may I remind you that ANYTHING in the goverment that relates to relgioni s theorcratci like a JEWISH homeland? all land should be honeland of all the worlds civilans |
| Date | 21:33:38, October 05, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "The ultra-Kibutzism project, which Jewish parties have tried to establish only to be blocked by secular parties, accepts all refugees who get there and gives them a place to call their home. It is unfair criticism to suggest we are a racist, or even a zionist, state, as it is Jewish parties who have attempted to establish homes for all our disposessed masses. We would urge the people of Kazulia not to join with the imperialist Sekowo in their war against the people of Squibble. It was Sekowo that first sent troops to Squibble; Beiteynu troops are only there to ensure they do not try to enslave an entire continent. Only Sekowo has forced native Squibblians off of their own land to establish colonies, granting its citizens greater rights than the natives. Beiteynu only seeks to remove this injustice and grant all native Squibblians liberty once again. While we can understand that Kazulia may not agree with our internal policies, on the issue of Squibble we would urge the Kazulian people to stand up for Equality, Justice and Liberty and oppose the fascist, communist and archonist- lead government in their imperial ambitions to enslave the people of Squibble." -Av Beit Din David Frankin |
| Date | 23:51:50, October 05, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | 1. there not fascists 2. your puting boundrys agest that nation which is a good alarm for war |
| Date | 00:29:10, October 06, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "Whatever Ideology Sekowo claim to subscribe to, certainly they are an imperialist power with no regard for Terras stabilty. We are attempting to stop Sekowo from enslaving an entire continent. Not only are we putting up that boundary, we are proud to be standing up to such tyranny. Nor are we putting excessive boundaries on Sekowo; we have never got involved in Sekowos Dovanian expansion, nor have we got involved in any of Dovanis affairs. How your party can call itself liberal yet support invasion, colonisation and an imperialist power is beyond us." -Av Beit Din David Frankin. |
| Date | 00:47:45, October 06, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | to put a border agest peaceful nations is insane... we support invasion because your putting barriors up for not reason we never were gonig to invade you... but now that you made this we must vtake action the only land were colonising is the land who has not yet been taken |
| Date | 01:56:11, October 06, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | Yet again Beiteynu spreads its propaganda, much like the old propaganda posters of the Zionist Octopus. (The Octopus is an honourable creature, it's a shame it was ever used in such a representation.) Sekowo specifically colonized Tropica and only Tropica because we knew Beiteynu had plans to colonize the mainland. Furthermore we would never invade Kazulia, as they are a Free and Democratic nation that shares many of the ideologies of Sekowo, apart from that our two nations are friends. Finally we only sent military troops to the region after Beiteynu sent troops with the explicit purpose to attack Tropica. Otaru Komei Elected Speaker, DSP Executive Council Sekowan Federation |
| Date | 03:30:50, October 06, 2007 CET | From | Pertetuum Kazulia | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | The Perpetuum Kazulian Party is of the opinion that a war will strengthen the economy and the Nation of Kazulia. Also, we know from experience that war is the most stable situation a government can find itself in. We would vote yes for war, but we shall vote no for a binding alliance, as they are usually biased towards the one who offers. |
| Date | 05:19:13, October 06, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | Kazulia and Sekowo are in a mutual protection agreement as it is. However, since the agreement itself did not say anything about colonial assets and territories, you are not required to fight with us, however we ask you do. |
| Date | 06:51:57, October 06, 2007 CET | From | CSA Communist Party of the DPRK | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | stll most partys wished to aid and we shall :) |
| Date | 13:49:05, October 06, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "That you can accuse us of propaganda while lying to the Kazulian representatives is shockingly hypocritical. The Beiteynuese government has never announced plans to send colonisers to Squibble. Our original intention with Operation Homeland Expansion was to send explorers, scientists, and geographers, as well as various other interested scientists and political delegates, backed up and protected by a small military group, to explore and map the continent and its islands, as well as recognising any nation states while attempting to establish diplomatic relations and trade routes, while gaining them international recognition. We did not accuse Sekowo of attempting to invade Kazulia, just of expanding into any land it could get its hands on without too much of a fight. Thats purely a Dovani matter, so we won't say any more on it. Troops were sent to ensure Sekowo did not try to enslave the entire continent. Sekowos imperialism is very different from Beiteynus vision of a Squibble of independant, internationally recognised nation states. Sekowo does not just explore a land, it invades it with settlers, robbing the natives of their land, liberty, resources and respect. Its actions are indefensible; even it will not deny it rapes a land and people purely for economic gain." -Av Beit Din David Frankin |
| Date | 01:10:26, October 07, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "and the eventual invasion of Kazulia itself?" You would lie so blatantly? The Sekowan government is one that believes in peace and freedom, and as such we take offense to you accusations. All of our settlers live in the Tropican metropolitan area, well away from natives who would suffer from contact. Furthermore we have never had any intentions of colonizing Squibble, indeed because we knew Beiteynu had plans to, we left it alone. Otaru Komei Elected Speaker, DSP Executive Council Sekowan Federation |
| Date | 01:22:45, October 07, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the support are good ally Pan-Sekowo in a war against Beiteynu |
| Message | "You claim to love "peace and freedom" but how much land have you invaded? How many natives have you subjegated? How many more people will you crush under the Sekowan boot? No colonisation, in the history of Terra, has ever left the indigenous population uneffected. They always come out exploited by their imperial masters, even if these particular ones claim to believe in peace and freedom. That Beiteynu planned to colonise Squibble has been shown countless times to be a Sekowan lie, and to be honest it is getting old listening to it. Please, either back up your ridiculous claim or stop repeating it. Why Kazulia should treat Sekowo as an ally when it has to little respect for you that it will come here and tell blatant lies is beyond us. Please, if you truly, unlike the Sekowans, love peace and freedom, do not support this imperial powers insatiable expansionism." -Av Beit Din David Frankin |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 297 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 374 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 79 |
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