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Bill: Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Drania Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2467
Description[?]:
| The Welsh are bad for the nation, so are Seldonists. The linkage is clear. The stifling weight of government on the people of our country is due for fixing. Get governments out of the workplace and society where they're not wanted. Article 1 - People should be able to join or not join if they want to. Restricting them is wrong, but so is forcing them. People can choose. Article 2 - If I want to strike, I should be able to withdraw my labour. Banning strikes is fascist - telling workers they can't stop work. Government should get out of both business's and worker's faces. Article 3 - The government shouldn't be in the real estate business. Article 4 - If parents want their kids schools to discipline them, they should be able to elect a local board to say so. Article 5 - If I don't want you having a gun on my land, fine, but otherwise responsible people should be able to carry their guns to defend themselves. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: The government sets up gated communities.
Current: No gated communities are allowed.
Proposed: The private sector can set up gated communities.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards labor unions.
Old value:: Trade unions are illegal.
Current: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Proposed: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The workers' right to strike.
Old value:: All strikes are illegal.
Current: All workers have the right to strike.
Proposed: All workers have the right to strike but certain categories of workers regarded as critical to society have to ensure a minimal service.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The teacher's right to discipline children.
Old value:: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Current: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Proposed: Discipline levels are set by local governments.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Current: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Proposed: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, but these may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:02:10, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Dranian Free Anarchist Faction | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | hmmm... You see, I'm against this bill, but it takes some explaining. See, striking ISNT saying, "We refuse to work." It's when people refuse to work and they aren't allowed to be fired. Companies can't fire striking workers. That's an invasion of business freedom. So yes, if I want to, I can stop working. But I might lose my job! The rest of the bill I pretty much agree with... but I'll have to abstain. |
| Date | 01:44:10, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Drania Party | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | Actually, legally in our country you can be fired if striking for improper reasons. Look it up. |
| Date | 01:50:08, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Order of Valtiel | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | No, the government is the ultimate tool towards creating a society where everyone can have total Happiness. This hampers the tool and gives people the false impression that freedom is a good thing. Trust us when we say that freedom is an evil thing and an illusion. |
| Date | 13:46:23, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Dranian Free Anarchist Faction | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | Really, Drania? Well, I guess I'll vote for this then. |
| Date | 22:25:42, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Order of Valtiel | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | And now your vote doesn't matter. |
| Date | 01:49:32, October 06, 2007 CET | From | Fatty Boomsticks Party | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | I totally agree with this bill now that the Drania Party has cleared a few issues up. |
| Date | 02:37:03, October 06, 2007 CET | From |  Democratic Labour Party of Cobura | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | "We condmen Drainland, this is nothing but a fascist nation, with fascist policies, the DLP is a party founed by a Welsh immigrant, and I myself am a Welsh man (as I am OOCly :P), as always the Coburan government will keep the strong trade scantions against Dranland, we will continue to condemn your backwards, vile and uncivilised nation, and we will conuntine to keep our nation as a safe nation for all fleeing presicution, terror and violence from a fascist nations. " Ian Jenkins, Foriegn Minister of Cobura |
| Date | 04:30:07, October 06, 2007 CET | From | Order of Valtiel | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | The DLPC has clearly taken more than the recomended dosage of Yoj. |
| Date | 17:03:43, October 06, 2007 CET | From | Fascist Zealotry League | To | Debating the Seldonism Ain't Nothin' But "Welsh" Mis-Spelled Act |
| Message | ...and a hell of a lot more than the recommended dosage of Welsh! To the chambers you Coburan scum! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 158 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 439 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 68 |
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| Random quote: “Where would the weapons and equipment come from once you've banned the defence industry? Will we be defended by all your hippy people hurling potatoes and cabbages?” - Margaret Woodhall, former Dranian politician |