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Bill: The age of an adult
Details
Submitted by[?]: Royal Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2099
Description[?]:
| At the age of 16, people (especially males) are too immature in both mind and body. They are not mentally capable of making key decisions, such as choosing who to vote for, whether to drink alcohol or whether they wish to carry on into higher education. As such, it is the duty of the law to protect these individuals. Therefore we believe that the official age for an adult should be 18. 1) People under the age of 18 may not: a) Drink alcohol b) Smoke cigarettes or take recreational drugs c) Vote in elections d) Gamble e) Consent to sexual activty f) Take out a mortgage or any other kind of long term loan g) Have a credit card h) Possess a driving license for a car or a motorbike 2) Those aged 16 and over may take up full time employment 3) Parental libaility exists until the age of 18 4) Those aged 16 and above may drive a moped |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The age at which a person is considered an adult (limited between 12 and 24).
Old value:: 16
Current: 18
Proposed: 18
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:34:13, August 19, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | (actual question, not debate) What laws would this affect? Voting, cigarettes, ? |
| Date | 20:48:22, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | Hmm I see what you mean. Needs more work on the Bill |
| Date | 21:10:29, August 19, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | Opposed. There are 16 year old more mature than 18 year olds for that matter. ((I'm 16, and I consider myself fairly mature.)) |
| Date | 21:35:00, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | No way. Defining who is adult by age is ridiculous to start with, but as we have no other option, then it should be set as low as possible. Otherwise you are removing freedoms from people with no justification. |
| Date | 21:52:09, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | So shall we allow 12 year olds to buy alcohol and gamble? Because if we don't then we will be taking freedoms from them, according to your logic. As I have said before, there is only so far the word 'freedom' can be streched. At some point freedom has to be removed to protect individuals and to protect society. This is why you are not free to murder someone or burn down property. This is also the case here. |
| Date | 22:11:17, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | Yes you should allow 12 year olds to buy alcohol and gamble by law. It is the responsibility of their parents or guardians to restrict this, not the responsibility of the government. The parent or guardian is much better placed to judge the maturity of the specific person than an assembly of politicians that do not even know the person's name. This is not a case like murder or arson. This is an attempt to prevent individuals from persuing actions that cause no harm to anyone other than themselves. Freedom stretches until it meets the comensurate freedoms of other individuals. Thus murder is not a freedom, it ios aremoval of the freedom of one person by another. However gambling is a freedom as it relates to the property of an individual who has to be free to dispose of that property as they see fit, so far as this does not impinge upon the freedoms of another. |
| Date | 23:06:24, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | Ha, I would like to see your society...a society where 5 year olds can get pissed when their parents aren't looking |
| Date | 23:12:47, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | You prefer a society where the government is responsible instead, and is constantly looking? |
| Date | 23:17:21, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | the law actually does allow 12-year olds to buy alcohol at the moment. there are no laws restricting purchases by minors. This is, after all, libertarian paradise ;) |
| Date | 23:20:15, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | I would like to see a society where the government has to balance its responsibilites to the people with individual liberties. |
| Date | 01:50:17, August 20, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | "the law actually does allow 12-year olds to buy alcohol at the moment. there are no laws restricting purchases by minors. This is, after all, libertarian paradise ;)" There are however, certain regulations on the sale of hard drugs. http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=8278 |
| Date | 16:07:26, August 20, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | "Defining who is adult by age is ridiculous to start with" (OOC: Not really, considering most countries in RL define adulthood by age. In America, for instance, a 16 year old is not entitled to the same liberties as a 21 year old as they are not judged to be adult enough yet) |
| Date | 20:22:59, August 20, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | " I would like to see a society where the government has to balance its responsibilites to the people with individual liberties." This is a prudent position, tempering the libertarian idealism of the old rightist patries. We would however set the age of adulthood at 16 for most things. Raising the voting age, thereby disenfranching thousands of young peopel, woud send the wrong signal. |
| Date | 20:40:32, August 21, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | 16-year-olds are not significantly less mature than 18-year-olds. The bill is significantly flawed. It's not the government's place to decide this for people anyways. |
| Date | 22:19:36, August 21, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the The age of an adult |
| Message | ((OOC What is done in RL is no measure of the ridiculousness. Some individuals are highly mature at 14, others are spoilt children at 25. That is what I meant by defining who is an adult by aga as being ridiculous. If you think about it a moment, you will see that it is. )) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 91 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 359 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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