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Bill: Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Army Left Movement
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2475
Description[?]:
| A long term plan for reduce retirement age from the 65 to 60 |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 65
Current: 60
Proposed: 64
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:04:09, October 22, 2007 CET | From |  Liberty Party | To | Debating the Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ |
| Message | "We have a completely private retirement fund system. Therefore, this is not an issue of the government's, and such, the Liberty Party sees this legislation as nothing more then Communist propaganda." ~Michale Tucker, Shadow Finance Minister |
| Date | 21:47:46, October 22, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ |
| Message | "All the country wondering what is the duty of the governament for the Liberty Party! Never take a decision. Congratualitions! And if they can't see anything positive in reducing retirement age, well they just don' care about people! Now you have to reach 65 y/o to claim your private retirement pension from private insurance. Whats the deal to lower that age? Well you allow child labor, you lowered the age for be an adult to 16, people start working earlier thanks to your laws, and now you telling them that they have to work for 45 years to get retired, or maybe even 50?? And if people care to continue to work after the retirment age, that their choise, not an obbligation" |
| Date | 10:16:58, October 23, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ |
| Message | "You are very new to Zardugali politics. When this party was founded, we were faced with a massive budget deficit, father-knows-best civil rights system and a very socialistic economic plan. We're now a Libertarian paradise. As they say, you go from being a revolutionary to a conservative in 20 years without ever changing your opinion. We consistently vote against your bills as we've seen their affects on the Zardugali people. Now I'll point out the flaws of your argument: -Privatizing the pension system means that individuals negotiate when they retire and what kind of payments they'll recieve -The only real meaning of this law is over 65 year olds get a tax break on their pension, but with the tax system as it is, there's virtually no distinction, tax wise, relative to what age you retire at -We made it legal for children to work week-ends and holiday jobs, with extra regulations to insure the child was safe. We don't force anyone to work, we allow them to make their own choices, as was the purpose of that bill. (OOC: there's an option to force all kids to work, your argument would be valid if I choose to put forward that law) -Lowing the age of majority has nothing to do with what age you start working. -What we've done through privatization and the legislation you mentioned above has gave people the choice to start working when they want and retire when they want If you've any sense left, you'd remove this bill from the floor before your party suffers further humiliation." Michale Tucker, Shadow Finance Minister |
| Date | 21:03:39, October 23, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ |
| Message | "We are not fully against this bill, but we think it is better to stay with the old laws until we know the costs for the other social reforms." |
| Date | 21:47:03, October 24, 2007 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ |
| Message | Why is it only dropping a year? |
| Date | 22:23:01, October 24, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the Professional retirement age - Act. 1 / CP of UPZ |
| Message | "it will go step by step. not all 5 years in one time" |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 120 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 218 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 63 |
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