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Bill: Statist Government Bill - Welfare
Details
Submitted by[?]: Drtárék Jelbék Prta
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2482
Description[?]:
| We should bring this area of welfare payments into line with other areas, by removing it completely. The family, the Church, and charitable organisations are here for this purpose, not the taxpayer. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:13:18, October 31, 2007 CET | From |  Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Statist Government Bill - Welfare |
| Message | Proposals? |
| Date | 00:24:02, November 01, 2007 CET | From | Drtárék Jelbék Prta | To | Debating the Statist Government Bill - Welfare |
| Message | Currently not there. |
| Date | 17:59:32, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Statist Government Bill - Welfare |
| Message | After much internal debate within UCC, our party has decided to support this. Leaving the central government out of the business of providing welfare subsidies to people will strengthen and expand the non-profit, charitable, and faith-driven institutions that should be the main source for relief. |
| Date | 19:21:58, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F | To | Debating the Statist Government Bill - Welfare |
| Message | We strongly oppose, charitable institutions can't provide this subsidies everywhere. We hope that Ucc will reconsider his positions, in order to defend the social justice that DLJ proudly has in its platform. |
| Date | 05:22:35, November 06, 2007 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Statist Government Bill - Welfare |
| Message | We will not reconsider. In our view, social justice means the freedom and opportunity to move up the economic ladder. This does automatically transfer into a view that the central government should offer cash payments as an "opportunity." Rather, we believe it is the central government's role only to ensure that there are no barriers to opportunity (i.e. slavery, child labor, poor quality education). We understand and respect your point of view as democratic socialists. However, we generally believe that the central government should remain limited in scope. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 47 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 53 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: It is forbidden to impersonate a player or Moderator. |
| Random quote: "The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people." - Noam Chomsky |