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Bill: National Pride
Details
Submitted by[?]: Permissive Social Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2480
Description[?]:
| This is a few basic ideas for the country to show pride in itself. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National policy regarding the desecration of the national flag.
Old value:: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Current: The national flag may not be desecrated or dishonoured.
Proposed: The national flag may not be used for commercial purposes.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Current: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:10:42, November 02, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | (1) This is a BLATANT violation of political freedom and of the Freedom of SPEECH; if citizens burn the flag, the fire loses control and burns property or something, that is one thing. However, if the Likatonian socialist & fascist voters who are furious at economic policies that the CWFP is trying to implement, do they NOT have right to protest our Administration via the symbolic burning of a piece of cloth??? (2) STRONGLY support b/c patriotism should be valued and respect in our schools. |
| Date | 13:37:15, November 02, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | Why would a socialist or facist that disliked CWFP policy... burn the flag? Burn the CWFP in effigy, that would make sense, maybe. Burning the flag would be unpatriotic and irrelevent. Also... CWFP policies aren't going to make anyone 'furious'. If the CWFP hates Likatonia, and doesn't value public opinion, that's fine. The Peoplw will deal with the CWFP... we aren't going to be getting 'furious' over it. |
| Date | 16:48:04, November 02, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | We have had our eyes set on a law banning the use of the national flag in a commercial capacity - something we find entirely improper. |
| Date | 00:14:06, November 03, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | We have modified the proposal so it is more in line with the AMDWP statements. Instead of banning desecration, we now are merely trying to stop our national flag from being used for commercial purposes. We hope this compromise (a rare word from the LFF) will be therefore now please the majority of the convocation. |
| Date | 12:27:32, November 03, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | We can now pledge our support. |
| Date | 12:35:30, November 03, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | Compromise. Sure. We'll give it a shot. |
| Date | 23:37:03, November 03, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the National Pride |
| Message | (1) Citzens that maybe angry with CWFP policy, would burn the flag in a SYMBOLIC protest of my Administration (the GOVERNMENT); in a free and thinking democracy, the people show their love and patriotism to the IDEALS of democracy [right to vote, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.] rather than to the corrupt democratic government that manipulated the people's passions to get into power. (2) We cannot support this bill b/c it is UNDEMOCRATIC to tell people what to do [sell Likatonian flags] in a free thinking democracy. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 344 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 179 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 143 |
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