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Bill: Aesthetic bill 2480 "Recognizing the special nature of belief" reloaded
Details
Submitted by[?]: "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2481
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: Foreign missionaries are not permitted to enter the nation.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Current: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: Wearing religious clothing or religious symbols in public is illegal.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Proposed: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: Any form of religion is banned.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:01:01, November 05, 2007 CET | From |  Hutorian Anarcho-Communist Party | To | Debating the Aesthetic bill 2480 "Recognizing the special nature of belief" reloaded |
| Message | Not now, not ever, will I allow people to be subjugated to the tyranny within our country that is organized religion. - Sir Michael DuBoire |
| Date | 09:28:04, November 05, 2007 CET | From | "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party | To | Debating the Aesthetic bill 2480 "Recognizing the special nature of belief" reloaded |
| Message | "Religion is no tyranny, religion is self-evident orientation born from freedom. Don't you realize that you establish the strongest and dumbest state religion of all when you ban every form of religion? You establish a blinded atheism!" Moses Friedman, obviously in rage |
| Date | 13:24:20, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Hutorian Anarcho-Communist Party | To | Debating the Aesthetic bill 2480 "Recognizing the special nature of belief" reloaded |
| Message | Man should follow his own beliefs, not those of some ancient document. Do you realize how many lives have been cost by religions? They disallow treatment for illnesses, they provoke violence upon others. I do not establish a blinded atheism, I establish a caring secularized humanist nation, one which cares for the people, not one that caters to the fundamentalists who would undermine men's thoughts with doctrination and cause more loss of life. Let science and reasoning lead the people, let them choose their own beliefs and paths, not have it forced upon them. - Michael DuBoire |
| Date | 14:22:50, November 05, 2007 CET | From | "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party | To | Debating the Aesthetic bill 2480 "Recognizing the special nature of belief" reloaded |
| Message | "Don't you realize that actually the perceptions you praise (science ande reasoning, God shield us from bare success-orientated rationalism) are kinds of belief too? Belief comes before all other categorizations, belief lies outside of all rational reasons, belief enables to comment all the things we are confronted with. The decision of belief is made before all the estimation and evaluation of life facts. First a man determines his position concerning the world, living, mankind and moral values, the rest comes afterwards. [...] And do you really want to tell that atheistic societies have never done harm to people? Saying that churches have killed and have born hatred is an argument against institutions and against the spirit of an age, but not against belief as human fact. Do you want to ban pencils because some people use it to draw plans of bombs and weapons? [...] We do not want to force people, that is what you want, you force your science credulous atheism upon all the people. You accuse us of forcing belief upon the people? You ban every form of lived belief. And a belief that doesn't manifest is no belief. You claim that you want the people to chose their own beliefs but actually your legal system contradicts this your lip service ignominously..." Moses Friedman, party's chief ideologist (and religious jew) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 117 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 94 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 40 |
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