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Bill: The use of weapons
Details
Submitted by[?]: Irish Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2482
Description[?]:
| Extreme and powerful weapons should only be used when completely necessary as these will cause the deaths of thousands of innocent people. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:27:35, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Hauthorn Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | We disagree. Our nation should be able to defend itself in any way necessary. The ability to do so does not mean that we will do so, it simply means that, in the event that overwhelming force is used against our nation, we have the right to retaliate as necessary to preserve the freedoms of our citizens. |
| Date | 06:49:14, November 05, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | "The threat, that Zardual could use them (first) will lead possible enemies not to attack us. Therefore we think its better to stay with the old laws" |
| Date | 07:11:38, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | "We whole heartedly agree with our colleagues in the Hauthon Party." ~John Camel OOC: You're not one of those "Nuking the Japanese was illegal!!" idiots are you? Party's who try to restrict our defense capabilities have historically being lead by men who fall into this particular category of ignorance. |
| Date | 07:20:10, November 05, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | OOC: We already had this discussion before. And of course, the usage of nuclear weapons was a crime. The only thing I accept is, that it was a smaller crime than Japan did. But it changes nothing on the fact that nuking Japan or bombing Dresden was a crime. @LP: Where are you from that you don't feel the same? |
| Date | 07:25:48, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | We agree with the Hauthorn party and the LP |
| Date | 20:51:40, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | "You're not one of those "Nuking the Japanese was illegal!!" idiots are you? Party's who try to restrict our defense capabilities have historically being lead by men who fall into this particular category of ignorance." Not necessarily illegal. But morally wrong. |
| Date | 20:52:02, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | "We agree with the Hauthorn party and the LP" Not the NAM no? Even though they also said no..... |
| Date | 22:52:38, November 05, 2007 CET | From | Hauthorn Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | We find it rather unusual to be in agreement with the National Authoritarian Movement. Still, we are glad to see that there are some issues on which we can see eye to eye as fellow human beings, both concerned about the wellbeing of our nation. |
| Date | 07:07:48, November 06, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | "We can see eye to eye on any issue, we can discuss as human beings, we just wont get a common opinion on every subject." ~ Wilhelm v. Nassau, NAM leader |
| Date | 08:51:26, November 06, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the The use of weapons |
| Message | Since this IC issue is over, moving right onto OOC talk on nuking of Japan: It was no more "illegal" then the shit Hitler pulled, the shit Japan did to their PoWs (btw, I'm Australian, I've relatives who lived through the bombing of Darwin and my great uncle was tortured by the Japs) and citizens of conquered nation or what would have happened if the Americans had to invade Japan. Now, Nagasaki was unnecessary and cruel. The government of Japan was already reeling from Hiroshima, America only went ahead with the second bombing because the mad scientist who designed the particular bomb that fell on the doomed city (he had a lot of influence over the military command) wanted to test his theory. Obviously there had being secret tests, but he wanted to see how his bomb shaped up to an actual city. However, though dropping a bomb in Tokyo harbor would have proved the awesome power of the bomb, it wouldn't have done much to sway the fanatical Japanese nationalist government's idea of "no surrender". The Russians would have also learnt that the Americans didn't believe that nuclear weapons should ever actually be used. As a result, the world would be reeling from nuclear war by the 60s. Besides, would it be "morally wrong" to invade Japan? The cities were already devastated, the farmland would have gone too if the invasion got the go ahead. Christ, you only have to look at how the Japs defended their territory as the Americans snatched up outlying Islands. Estimates of death range from 300 000 right up to 10 000 000. That's what justifies nuclear weapons. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 69 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 332 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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