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Bill: Compassion as an Asylum
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2039
Description[?]:
| To allow all seekers of asylum, without prejudice. Particularly when acknowledging that there is no population issue at current. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; no aid is given to them.
Current: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Proposed: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | not recorded | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | I've proposed this a while ago, I withdrew my proposal due to a lack of support. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | I support welcoming all refugees, but I don't support aiding them. Let them make their own livings just like every other Rutanian. |
| Date | not recorded | From | New Democrats of Rutania | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | You don't understand. This is not viable or realistic in any way. Trust me, no country in the world has a policy like this. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | It's perfectly viable provided we give them absolutely no special treatment or aid. Handing out aid to everyone who comes here would obviously rape the government coffers, but if we just let them come here and work like everybody else, we don't lose out. |
| Date | not recorded | From | New Democrats of Rutania | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | No, it's not. It's an open door to immigration-- "regardless of their reason". No country in the world has such a liberal asylum policy; we do lose because the economy can sustain only so much employment. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | What on Earth do you mean, the economy can only sustain so much employment? When all basic industries have healthy levels of employment, new industries tend to open up. Anyway, provided government handouts aren't used, economic migrants will have no incentive to come to a country with few job prospects. Our immigration and emigration will sort themselves out provided we leave them be. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | We have to agree with the LAP here, we can only benefit from increased immigration. We dislike the provision about giving them aid, however, but that's simply how the cookie crumbles (ie that's how the game works) |
| Date | not recorded | From | Imperial Party | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | The amount of aid is not specified, so it could potentially be negligible. |
| Date | not recorded | From | New Democrats of Rutania | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | Guys, I've done extensive study in comparative immigration policy, including asylum. Germany had liberal asylum policies too, until the early 90s (although nowhere as liberal as this) and faced a major crisis and burden on the state. "Industries tend to open up"? If we're a developed country, than millions of people would choose to claim asylum each year. Neither the economy nor the environment can sustain that kind of growth. I vote a firm NO. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | You're using the same buzzwords as you did in your initial "absolutely not" post. Provided we aren't shelling out aid to these people, I fail to see how they can possibly damage the economy. By taking jobs? Well, if there's rife unemployment thanks to that, economic migrants will stop coming (unless they could be guaranteed a government handout - which is why I'm firmly against giving them anything except the freedom to come to our country). Please ND, do elaborate on how unlimited immgration can possibly damage the economy. I mean an actual argument, not just "I've studied this, I know the truth". |
| Date | not recorded | From | New Democrats of Rutania | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | It's common sense. Consider immigration policy across Europe in the years 1973 and 1974, during the oil crisis and worldwide recession. Immigration in France and Germany was halted because the economy could not support more immigrants. Immediately postwar, France, Germany, and Britain recruited heavily in order to fill gaps in the labor market. Although much more goes into the politics of immigration than solely economic concerns, it is common sense that an economy can only sustain a certain work force. "By taking jobs? Well, if there's rife unemployment thanks to that, economic migrants will stop coming" But they'll still have caused "rife unemployment"! Furthermore, they won't just "stop coming". Do you think that potential migrants sit in their home countries with a labor supply and demand chart, and track when and where they should emigrate? Of course not! The overall wage level (and image, for that matter) of the developed country will still be far higher, and the temptation will still be there. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Imperial Party | To | Debating the Compassion as an Asylum |
| Message | Australia propsered ecnomically after the detriment to its economy caused by WWI, because of an open and 'encouraged' immigation policy. We are not a heavily developed nation and so there is considerable leeway, in terms in terms of potential development prospects, meaning that there will virtually never(or for a considerable time) be no potential sources of employment — as there is so much potential development that could be undertaken. Take the industrial plans of the Soviet Union. Not only did they have no unemployment, but the industrial development required the hiring of people from foreign countries. As a relatively undeveloped nation, an open refugee policy, is the most beneficial for us. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 63 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 14 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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