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Bill: Free cell-phones!
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2485
Description[?]:
| Every Beluzian shall be given a FREE cell-phone, which he must carry with him at all times (or be shot!!!). The cell-phone is great for gabbing on, acts as identification and credit card all in one, and conveniently offers a non-stop hotline directly to the Ministry of Intelligence (Headed by Niccolo Goebbels of the PPP!). With no off-button to hide from urgent governmental broadcasts and interrogation sessions, you'll want to tell the whole truth and nothing but! All cell-phones equipped with the latest in electroshoc and plastique explosive capabilities, offering our internal affairs ministry the widest possible range of options for dealing with seditious or traitorous citizens! Trust no one and keep your lazer handy, Laird Zog |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to appeal against a judgement rendered by a court.
Old value:: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Current: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Proposed: All judgements are final and binding; appealing against them is not possible.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: Religious doctrine determines the death penalty.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Current: Citizens are issued with identity cards on a voluntary basis.
Proposed: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The confidentiality of letters and correspondence.
Old value:: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable.
Current: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable, but the justice dept. can violate it in extreme situations.
Proposed: The confidentiality of letters is not inviolable.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:06:44, November 12, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | p.s. (I had thought the "telephone service free of charge" had been revoked when I wrote this, but it is still active. There fore consider this to be an extension of that service, an update of the phones if you will ;) |
| Date | 20:21:00, November 12, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | I expected more debate on this one? |
| Date | 16:16:10, November 13, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | Which issue do you want to debate? I'm opposed to all of them... |
| Date | 17:27:20, November 13, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | There is only one thing being discussed here, FREE cell-phones w hyper-efficient modernistic features. |
| Date | 16:55:47, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | The people are paying for them, if not directly then through their taxes. I would imagine that this is part of the PPPs self-declared program of mass-surveillance. There's no such thing as a free lunch. |
| Date | 19:08:01, November 14, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | sure, but what better reason to sacrifice liberty than for security? ;P |
| Date | 17:01:02, November 15, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | Any society that would sacrifice a little liberty for security deserves neither, and would lose them both. OOC: Anyone want to guess where the quote comes from? (I'm assuming the PPP knows, since they referenced it first) |
| Date | 20:55:07, November 15, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: it is normally attributed to Ben Franklin, but he probably didn't say it. Instead it seems to be a political slogan of the american revolutionaries, and as such has a large number of variations. Franklin probably said something similar a time or three, but there is no record of him having said it AFAIK. |
| Date | 18:40:54, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: It's a reduction of a much larger statement made in one of his speeches. Most quotes are different in the original, due to shifts in syntax and grammar over hundreds of years. I believe Mao's "out of a gun-barrel" quote is phrased somewhat different in reality as well (not to mention in a different language). |
| Date | 19:15:57, November 16, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: mao seems like a pretty cool guy right up until the time he took over China. His political / military victory strategy was superb. |
| Date | 19:40:18, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: I'm reading a biography on him right now. It's interesting. |
| Date | 21:50:11, November 16, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: from what I have read he emphasized humane conduct by his soldiers towards the peasants in order to encourage recruits. Very likable, that. |
| Date | 16:59:55, November 19, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: Actually, if the source material is reliable, it seems quite the opposite. Especially during the time of the first Red State (circa 1930), Mao seemed to prefer violence - especially towards those who were class enemies. It seems that the qualifications to be declared a 'kulak' or a landlord were expanded quite a bit due to China's rural poverty. |
| Date | 17:42:52, November 19, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: AFAIK that was a political purge in response to opposition to his leadership, not just an aimless slaughter of peasants. |
| Date | 20:15:29, November 19, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Free cell-phones! |
| Message | ooc: Mao never had an aversion to violence as a political tool - it was his terror campaigns that solidified his hold over the people. I'm not sure he would have considered it aimless to strike fear in the populace. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 242 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 468 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 40 |
| Random fact: Players are expected to play the game independently and should not share their passwords or allow others to access their accounts. |
| Random quote: "The sun, the moon and the stars would have disappeared long ago had they happened to be within the reach of predatory human hands." - Havelock Ellis |