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Bill: The future of Hobrazia's energy

Details

Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Hobrazia

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2486

Description[?]:

This bill is an attempt to nationalise the Energy industries in an attempt to provide the best service for the people. It is our belief that an important commodity such as energy should not be in the hands of capitalist corporations who will always put their own aspirations before that of the people.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date20:05:16, November 12, 2007 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageWe disagree. Private competition allows for improvements in service quality and provision that would otherwise be expensive to maintain and provide via public services. However, we maintain that the infrastructure (National Grid, primary power stations, etc) should remain in public hands.

Date20:52:43, November 12, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageYou speak of expenses. Can you put a price on the future stability of our nations energy. The current system leaves the gate open for capitalists to exploit the people. Prices may be regulated but in the end the company's needs will always be put first rather than the peoples. Nationalisation is the only way to ensure that the peoples needs are put first and in our opinion that is a small price worth paying.

Date22:16:27, November 12, 2007 CET
FromPartai Komunis Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageHow can capitalists exploit people? The prices are regulated. They cannot exploit people because their method of exploitation is regulated. The system right now is quite perfect.

Date22:47:59, November 12, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageThere is more than one way to exploit people, not just through price. Nationalisation is the only way to ensure that energy is completely regulatede and that the quality isn't affect by self serving corporations out to squeeze every last penny from the hands of the workers. Sure the price may be regulated however the law doen't state anything on the regulation of quality and other aspects which may affect our energy supply. Also there is no such thing as perfection as anything can be improved further and this is what we are proposing to do.

Date22:54:12, November 12, 2007 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageGuidelines are in place to guarantee service provision and quality, not just price. See: Energy Generation Proposal. National Power Generation and Consumer Supply http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=130968

Date23:02:09, November 12, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageWhile we believe that article 1 of the National Power Generation and Consumer Supply bill is acceptable article two is not and this is the exact point we are debating. Also there is nothing in each of these articles which gurrantee quality towards the customer.

Date08:59:03, November 13, 2007 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageQuote from the aforementioned bill: "so as not to make power a utility that is only available for the select few, but within the GUIDELINES, competition is free and open."

Date21:50:32, November 14, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageThat was not mentioned in any of the articles which were passed into law. Was your bill description passed into law. We think not.

Date22:14:56, November 14, 2007 CET
FromHobrazian Federalist Party
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageNo. The people are to decide the future of energy, not the government.

Date23:29:57, November 14, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageHow will the people decide the future when it is out of their hands. Can people influence decisions made by the energy corporations, we think not. However can the people affect the decisions of a democratically elected goverment, we would like to hope so.

Date23:58:22, November 14, 2007 CET
FromPartai Komunis Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageIf people don't like the services an energy corporations provide, they can buy energy from a different corporation. If they find that they do not like any of the energy corporations, they can petition the government to nationalise the energy corporations. As yet, there have been no such petitions.

Date00:17:32, November 15, 2007 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
Message"Was your bill description passed into law. We think not."
- Indeed it was. The bill description is what describes the actions the government will take within the confines of the act and as the bill was passed then the whole act, description included, was enacted into law.

Date17:12:55, November 15, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageDespite your reasurances we still believe that this is the only fair way to anwser the question of Hobrazia's long term energy stradegy as it leaves the power behind our energy policy firmly in the hands of the people.

Date21:18:48, November 15, 2007 CET
FromPartai Komunis Hobrazia
ToDebating the The future of Hobrazia's energy
MessageIf you wish to disregard us, then we feel that this act is indefensible and should be rejected.

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Voting

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no
   

Total Seats: 162

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Total Seats: 238


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