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Bill: Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2486
Description[?]:
| We are proud to be prophets of His Earthly Reign. We are bored with the constant wittering of others, about 'so called gods' that can't be seen, sensed, touched, or asked to prove their existence. No Likatonian would buy a house he couldn't see, or a boat she couldn't touch. No Likatonian would pay a lawyer that refused to verify that he even existed. But, we KNOW Immeressen exists. Especially the night before bath night. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: It is not permitted to wear religious clothing or religious symbols in public buildings.
Current: Wearing religious clothing or religious symbols in public is illegal.
Proposed: People are required to dress according to religious codes
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Religious schools are not allowed.
Proposed: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:10:25, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | "But, we KNOW Immeressen exists. Especially the night before bath night."---Drang If you have the AUDACITY--[i.e. "balls" (haha)]---to say that the people "know" for a fact that Immeressen exists as the one true god, then can you demonstrate to the Convocation some EMPIRICAL evidence proving his existence like that famous scientist in Likatonian history that proved the "Law of Gravity" via a mathematical formula. |
| Date | 18:42:18, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Gravity is a theory. Immeressen exists. We can see him. |
| Date | 18:46:00, November 14, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Immeressen exists - no doubt Immeressen is God - no proof |
| Date | 20:28:10, November 14, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Clearly, however, there is no less proof that the All Father is God than there is that Jebus Crumb or any other so called deity is te Supreme being. If we allow all those spiritual arguments to be equal, then we are left with physical arguments, and there is a significant body of evidence that is Immeressen, thus he is more likely to be God, based on current evidence, than some quasi-mystical myth. |
| Date | 20:52:03, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Exactly. While we CAN debate the godhood of Immeressen - at least there is proof, every day, that Immeressen exists. More than can be said of any of the competition. |
| Date | 21:15:53, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Although Rhonda has the body of a goddess, we are somewhat hesitant about bestowing such an all-encompassing title in a similar spirit up anyone else. We do support some of the provisions here, however on balance we must vote against. |
| Date | 21:20:57, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Ah yes. Immeressen has always had something of an eye for Ms. Schtuker. Maybe she is divine by association? Of course... most was argue she was pretty divine anyway. |
| Date | 21:27:42, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | Immeressence Inc belive that the People's Emissary is beyond reproach. As such, we suggest that she make a private appointment to fully inspect the All Father, and report back on his divinity to the residents of her current accomodation, and the Convocation. |
| Date | 07:22:37, November 15, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei Manifesto - Church of Immeressence (iii) |
| Message | In the name of science... we regret to have to subject our Divine One to such scrutiny, obviously. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 28 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 72 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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