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Bill: Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Pluralism Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2488
Description[?]:
| The Apella should know that the administration of the colonies is currently decided by an inconsistent and non-functional law system. According to the Colonization Appropration Act 2453, administration is to be dealt with exclusively by the Colonial Administration and Expansion Commission. However, in 2475, elections were held for the Governor and Chancellor of Tropica, a territory whose oversight falls explicitly under the control of the CAEC. In order to recognize and resolve this legal conundrum and to establish a sound democratic basis for Colonial Law and Administration, we propose the following Act: (i) The territories of Argos, Cho'kun, Midway, and Tropica are hereby subject to absolute Sekowan control. (ii) The Apella has authorized the creation of four semi-autonomous governments for the four respective colonies. These governments are in charge of administering their territory on a local basis. (iii) Protectorate Governments are given the freedom to determine their own structure and methods of government consistent with their individual civic traditions. However, all Protectorate Governments must be representative democracies of some sort, granting suffrage regardless of race, gender, or any other factors related to discrimination under Sekowan law. (iv) The legislation of Protectorate Governments is superseded by Federal Sekowan law. That is, the Protectorate Governments must obey Federal law in the same manner as proper Federal Districts. (v) Unless decided by a 2/3 supermajority, the Sekowan Government may not impose itself upon the Protectorate Governments or interfere with their affairs. There may be no "ad hominem" Federal laws intended specifically to interfere with the Protectorate Governments without this supermajority. (vi) Under no circumstances may Protectorate Governments make deals with Foreign Powers or involve themselves in foreign policy independently of the Sekowan Government. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:42:13, November 15, 2007 CET | From |  帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | We don't like article 2, as coercion is bad in 90% of cases. We also believe that the protectorates should be made closer to us, not become semi-autonomous nations in there won right, and as such we do not support letting all laws be decided by there own governments, they should be treated just like the Federal Districts are. |
| Date | 16:07:44, November 15, 2007 CET | From |  Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | "monopoly on coercion" is just a term applying to all intact governments--that they are technically the only ones allowed to force individuals into doing anything. I wanted to make clear that the Protectorate Governments would be the only legitimate governments in those regions. |
| Date | 18:25:46, November 15, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | We do not believe we should deny any region the right of secession. Of course we do believe in limits, like only allowing Free and Democratic governments in such a case, and limits on leaving and re-joining and requiring hyper majorities (85%+) to do so. |
| Date | 23:33:46, November 15, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | Here is our counter proposal, based off yours. (i) The territories of Argos, Cho'kun, Midway, and Tropica are hereby subject absolutely to Sekowan control. (ii) The territrories shall have independant legislatures that ratify Sekowan laws. If a territory rejects a Sekowan law, its legislature must come up with a sutable law dealing with the matter and submit it to the Apella for approval. (iii) Unless decided by a 2/3 supermajority, the Sekowan Government may not impose itself upon the Protectorate Governments or interfere with their affairs. (iv) Under no circumstances may Protectorate Governments make deals with Foreign Powers or involve themselves in foreign policy independently of the Sekowan Government. (v) The local legislature or the Apella may call for a popular vote in a territory that must pass by 3/4, but each body may not call for such a vote more then once every 12 years. |
| Date | 23:34:53, November 15, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | Sorry, (v) got messed up (v) The local legislature or the Apella may call for a popular vote in a territory to determine if it wishes to become independant or a full part of Sekowo, that must pass by 3/4, but each body may not call for such a vote more then once every 12 years. |
| Date | 02:40:46, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | (v) is problematic for several reasons: It may seem that (v) is giving democracy to the colonies, but it is doing just the opposite. How are we to decide what the colonies want or how they behave and what their inhabitants desire? Any legitimate decision has to be made by the Apella, because in Particracy, only the majority decision of the parties can constitute true RP. In effect, the only legitimate way the colonies will be incorporated is by a vote of this Apella; any other way is non-democratic and unfair. Therefore, article (V) has no purpose and can only result in dispute over the status of the colonies--a problem which this Act is trying to solve. |
| Date | 02:48:33, November 16, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | Technically RP for the protectorates is only in Sekowo, so we don't all have to agree. |
| Date | 02:52:18, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | On other thing, although your article (ii) is that is does not allow the colonies to make any laws dealing with their own local problems! It only allows them to create replacements for disliked Sekowan laws. A local legislature MUST be able to deal with local problems. We believe that my article (iii) deals well with the issue. However, we will make concessions: (i) The territories of Argos, Cho'kun, Midway, and Tropica are hereby subject absolutely to Sekowan control. *(ii) The Apella has authorized the creation of four semi-autonomous governments for the four respective colonies. These governments are in charge of administering their territory on a local basis. *(iii) Protectorate Governments are given the freedom to determine their own structure and methods of government consistent with their individual civic traditions. However, all Protectorate Governments must be representative democracies of some sort, granting suffrage regardless of race, gender, or any other factors related to discrimination under Sekowan law. *(iv) The legislation of Protectorate Governments is superseded by Federal Sekowan law. That is, the Protectorate Governments must obey Federal law in the same manner as proper Federal Districts. (v) Unless decided by a 2/3 supermajority, the Sekowan Government may not impose itself upon the Protectorate Governments or interfere with their affairs. There may be no "ad hominem" Federal laws intended specifically to interfere with the Protectorate Governments without this supermajority. (vi) Under no circumstances may Protectorate Governments make deals with Foreign Powers or involve themselves in foreign policy independently of the Sekowan Government. * = modified/new article The new article (iv) deals with the DSP's concerns about excessive sovereignty. On the other hand, these regions are "semi-autonomous" because although they must follow all Federal Legislation, the Federal Government may not create laws intended specifically to interfere with Protectorate Government affairs. |
| Date | 02:54:05, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | "Technically RP for the protectorates is only in Sekowo, so we don't all have to agree." No, but is it fair for one party to decide, through RP, if the colonies become Federal Districts? The point is that a majority of the seats must agree for it to be sensible. |
| Date | 03:11:52, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | Yes, we see that now, but we do need some provision for reform put in, so we have a way if it is ever needed. |
| Date | 03:53:41, November 16, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | No one party does decide that. Also, Tropica is elected by the Apella, and the current leaders were elected by the Apella. Nor has the proposition that they become Federal Districts ever been, well, proposed. |
| Date | 04:27:44, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | If no one party decides the RP for the provinces, then the Apella must decide it. If the Apella is the only one that can decide the status of the colonies, then have a clause that leaves it up to the colonies? In any case, those elections contradicted the previously established governance system. Sure, maybe the elections themselves implicitly supplanted the previous laws, but since there was no explicit mention of either replacing the old system or establishing a new one in that election, it seems necessary to clarify this for the sake of consistency. To the USMC, reform is inherent in the system, since the colonies are (according to (i)) subject to the absolute control of the Federal Government. |
| Date | 07:49:14, November 16, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | What I mean is no party can claim that they represent one of them in an official manner unless there representative(s) have been elected by the Apella. So in essence I can come up with (realistic) RP for Tropica since I control the HoG (might be HoS, not sure), however since the SCP has the other position, it has to be bilateral. Of course whomever is elected to the positions by the Apella is the one who gets to do the official RP for it. |
| Date | 17:42:07, November 17, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | This power needs to be included in the job description. "Implicit powers" are harmful to the stability of our democracy. |
| Date | 22:30:30, November 18, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | Well, I guess this is acceptable... for now... |
| Date | 06:43:01, November 19, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Colonial Administration and Corpus Legum Act 2487 |
| Message | of course, changes will be made in the near future, but at least with this we have a coherent and consistent administration system for the colonies |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 372 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 277 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 101 |
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