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Bill: Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487)
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2543
Description[?]:
| As many showed interest in a true constitution, rather than the generic game one, this bill is for discussions of what it will look like. The finished constitution will take the form of a treaty called the 'Constitution of the Federation of Sekowo'. The following is a list of items to be discussed and decided on; -Bill of Rights -Supreme Court -Federal Districts -Protectorates -Executive -Other _____________________________________________________________________________________ This is being put to vote for archiving for further reference. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:10:48, November 16, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | Personally we would like to keep economic and financial 'rights' out of the constitution, regardless of if they are Capitalist, Socialist or Comunist. |
| Date | 23:26:10, November 16, 2007 CET | From | Independence Coalition | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | The Independence Coalition would like to propose the following bill of rights: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dckqj45v_7dsw62c |
| Date | 23:57:14, November 16, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | I think some of those can be included, not that they all are'nt important, just the majority of the rights section has to be rights that are in the game mechancis, like under laws and such. |
| Date | 03:03:56, November 17, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | Right to bear arms. |
| Date | 18:07:56, November 17, 2007 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | We find the Independence Coalition's submissions acceptable. |
| Date | 10:39:34, December 03, 2007 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | While we take issue with the declaration that rights are "inalienable", we generally support the Independence Coalition's proposal, with the following caveats: We oppose the following provisions: 4. (We do not believe these are inherent rights, but are rather privileges) 8. We do not believe it should be constitutional to prohibit the free exercise of religion. 9 & 10. These seem to want caveats: do incarcerated criminals retain these rights? 12. "Degrading" is relative. This provision would encourage judicial legislating, something we would like to avoid. 13. "Arbitrary" is relative. We oppose this provision for the same reason we oppose provision 12. 14. While this provision is desireable in theory, in practice, all judges and juries are impartial in their own ways. This provision should probably be rephrased for clarity. 16. What is "without reason" is relative. We oppose this for the same reason we oppose provisions 12 & 13. 17. Why is this constitutional? If needed, it should be drafted as a law. 19. We do not view this as a right, but as a privilege. We will support provisions 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 11, 15, 18, and 20. We may support certain other provisions if they are rephrased to be more clear, or to avoid objectionable terminology. |
| Date | 05:40:03, December 04, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | We've started working on the constitution. We've started off by putting in the civil rights and such, other things can be added if more than half of us approve of it. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=867 |
| Date | 07:59:54, December 04, 2007 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | There is too much legislature in that draft. We will not support it; a Constitution should cover only very basic rights, not extensive legal matters. Moreover, several provisions in the proposed constitution may discriminate against cultural groups, and many deny local governments the power to determine these issues for themselves. |
| Date | 15:49:50, December 04, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | OOC: Constitutions usually do have alot more than the bill of rights section, which is really all I've done so far. The rights included are those important to the major blocs that have been expressed early on. |
| Date | 23:18:50, December 04, 2007 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | OOC: I've read a couple constitutions, and I majored in History. None I've seen legislate as much as this one. |
| Date | 22:43:38, December 05, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | The rights listed in this should never be left up to regional governments, as that would allow for rights being taken away or discrimination to form. OOC:Most constitutions are'nt written by a mixture of Socialists and Libertarians, so its bound to be unique. |
| Date | 02:30:04, December 07, 2007 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | On the constitution created by the DSP, we believe that the following articles ought to be struck: 3, 5 (legislate it), 6 (which can be subsumed under article nine), 7 (legislation is fine), 14 (legislation kthxbai). Really, some of these articles are simply frivolous. |
| Date | 04:03:24, December 07, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | Well, the constiution is'nt nearly finished, these are just the bills of rights, individials and workers. |
| Date | 08:01:26, December 07, 2007 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | Ironically (or not), the Sekowan Communist Party doesn't support many of the articles we do. |
| Date | 02:11:21, December 08, 2007 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | In which proposal? The NPP has made clear its objections only to that of the Independence Coalition's constitution. |
| Date | 08:54:43, March 08, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Establishment of a [True] Sekowan Constitution (2487) |
| Message | Because of this discussion we will be changing parts of the constitution proposal in accord. We will, at such a time that it is more detailed and ready for a second round of scrutiny, bring this back to the attention of the legislature. OOC: I'll try to get a true draft done by the end of the month. And also, in case you're wondering since this is still a draft, and I originally created it I am still able to edit it, in fact I am the sole person (apart from mods maybe) who can edit the draft. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 129 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 365 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 106 |
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