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Bill: Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2491
Description[?]:
| Not sure if the CWFP even know the meaning of the term. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the ownership of domestic animals as pets.
Old value:: There are no laws regarding domestic animal ownership.
Current: People must register domestic animals with the local government.
Proposed: People must register domestic animals with the national government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the keeping of exotic animals.
Old value:: Everyone may keep exotic animals, but the trade in exotic animals is regulated by the government.
Current: Only zoos or zoological institutions are allowed to keep exotic animals.
Proposed: Keeping exotic animals is forbidden.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning forest protection.
Old value:: Forests are protected. Logging is allowed by licence only.
Current: Forests are protected. Logging is allowed by licence only.
Proposed: Forests have strictly enforced protection. Felling is limited to fire breaks.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the keeping of wild animals as pets.
Old value:: The government maintains a list of dangerous wild animals which may not be kept as pets; other wild animals may be kept as pets.
Current: The government maintains a list of dangerous wild animals which may not be kept as pets; other wild animals may be kept as pets.
Proposed: The ownership of wild animals as pets is banned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:35:50, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | (1) If we limit logging STRICTLY to fire breaks, then that means that Likatonia will have a tremendous SHORTAGE in lumber, wood, and paper supplies. As a result, a SHORTAGE of any commodity will result in HIGH prices for those products thus making them extremely expensive to the poor and Middle Class. This bill is neither COMMON nor SENSICAL, unfortunately!!! (2) This law is unnecessary b/c under the CURRENT law, the Federal Government is required to keep a list of dangerous animals that cannot be kept at home. Our position is that if the GOOD people of Likatonia wish to keep wild and/or exotic animals that are NOT dangerous, then let them have that basic FREEDOM to do so. This bill is neither COMMON nor SENSICAL, unfortunately!!! |
| Date | 03:31:39, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | Support. |
| Date | 07:46:31, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | We wonder where exactly the CWFP thinks we are using so much lumber and wood. Even Likatonian paper usage is much reduced since pretty much everything went digital. Not keeping exotic animals sounds like commonsense to us. The problem with exotic animals, after all... is being exotic. Who knows what diseases they harbour. Where can you even find a vet who knows HOW to remove the parasitic fissureworms from the colon of a Lodamese Bushpig? |
| Date | 06:35:42, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | Fully support. |
| Date | 07:51:54, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | Drang, lumber and wood is used for MORE things than just paper. What about furniture, school desks, scaffolds, etccccc.??? As for the exotic animals, your "common sense" argument has no merit for the simple fact that under CURRENT Likatonian law, the government has to devise a list of animals that it considers DANGEROUS that have those diseases that you mentioned. |
| Date | 15:36:17, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | Actually, the common sense behind prohibiting ownership of exotic animals is that we do not wish to introduce foreign species to our ecosystem - no matter how many lists the government makes, we can never be sure what effect these animals may have on the Likatonian environment considering the government may select which animals to allow but not the numbers at which they are kept. Would we really like to see Nevarn Park overrun with Pontesian Earthbeetles? Much of the Likatonian Ecoscience Community agree that the introduction of these destructive insects would surely cause the extinction of the golden-blue Sorbanikan vole - an animal already limited in numbers. Under current legislation, however, the Pontesian beetle stays on the permitted-list as there has been no past occurrences of this inevitable and disastrous outcome. Common sense? |
| Date | 16:34:08, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Red Ecologism: REAL Common Sense |
| Message | CWFP.... we didn't say lumber was paper. Perhaps your elected representatives need to actually listen to the speeches they respond to. Plastics, other synthetics, naturally occuring polymers, alloys, a new generation of ceramics.... wood is almost redundant in construction in this nation. Why would we encourage the ue of a flammable, corruptible material, when (just for example) modern ceramics are heat-resistant, fireproof, stronger than tensile steel... and come in a variety of colours and finishes? Our comment about paper was an additional - in the digital age, most of our data handling is virtual. Reams of paper are a thing of the past. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 361 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 173 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 132 |
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