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Bill: Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2490
Description[?]:
| AMENDMENTS: (1) The word "permit" in this bill is specifically defined by the Act to simply require that while citizens unequivocably have an INALIENABLE right to keep and bear arms, they must get a TRAINING permit where he/she is properly trained on how to efficiently use a gun by a trained police officer. (2) This bill specifically authorizes ALL gun manufacturers to properly equip MANDATORY trigger-locks and "Laser-Aims" on all firearms before they are brought to market. Thank you for your full support. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Weapon concealment.
Old value:: Local governments may set and enforce concealed carry laws.
Current: Any legal weapon may be concealed when carried.
Proposed: People must first obtain a permit in order to carry concealed weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Individuals are not permitted to own firearms under any circumstances.
Current: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Proposed: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Current: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Proposed: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, but these may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:25:59, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | We only support members of the LFF being freely able to purchase, stockpile and indeed discharge weapons without intereference from the convocation. |
| Date | 08:00:59, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | Another 'inalienable' right? Oy.... since a number of nations (including this one) have (at various points) 'alienated' that 'right'... it's clearly not as 'inalienable' as the CWFP seems to believe. Regarding the actual content... the CWFP specify permits for concealed weapons... but remove ALL restrictions from gun ownership? That's not just dangerous - that's criminally insane. And that's the problem - the criminal negligence of the CWFP will place weapons in the hands of people unsuited to the usage of such things. No - this is a bad bill. It has no redeeming characteristics, EXCEPT to overthrow the idea that 'local' government is better at determining fitness to be armed than a central body. The fact that the FRP supports arming psychopaths speaks volumes to us. |
| Date | 13:25:19, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | LFF, under the current law, the members of your party are PROHIBITED from purchasing firearms. Drang, the reason that we said it is an "Inalienable RIght" was to imply that they are rights and BASIC freedoms (Self-preservation) that we are all BORN with, regardless of whether or not they are recognized by the Government. However, anytime government denies the people rights that they are BORN with, is the very definiton of TYRANNY!!! |
| Date | 15:00:55, November 23, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | There are no inalienable rights. It is a myth. |
| Date | 16:07:52, November 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | You were not born with the right to carry a gun, CWFP. You weren't even born with the manual dexterity to hold a gun. WHich is good, because when people are born, it could be argued that they wouldn't be very technically proficient anyway... and probably not very good at picking targets. In fact, short of shitting in their pants, it's hard to demonstrate anything that people are 'born' able to do. So... somewhere between fecal expulsion, and the right to vote, the CWFP apparently fantasises some mythical plateau where we have a wealth of special benefits presented to us? We're just not seeing it. There are no inalienable rights. Hell - there are no 'rights', at all, except those your society bestows upon you. Try arguing your 'right to life' with a tiger, a cliff, of a mercury tripswitch. Government doesn't determine your 'rights'... but it does express them. |
| Date | 08:05:00, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | "Try arguing your 'right to life' with a tiger, a cliff, of a mercury tripswitch. "--Drang Drang, you just PROVED our whole point and philosophy. If you are attacked by a tiger, what will YOU do??? That's right: you will exercise your most BASIC right as a human being: SELF-presevation!!! Now, while it would be laudable to sit and have "tea' with the tiger, in reality they don't drink tea so you would BLOW THEIR ASS OFF (haha)!!!!! ................unless, you prefer to get EATEN(haha)!!! |
| Date | 16:46:17, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | That's the CWFP response? Rights are exercised only in as much as the ability to kill something exists? Your little jape wouldn't work with the cliff or the tripswitch of course... nor does it work if you are unarmed. And that's why we call 'bullshit' on the idea of inalienable rights. That tiger will sure as hell alien your 'rights', unless you can stop him... and it isn't your 'right to life' that will stop the big kitty from eating your head, it's your .45. Rights exist only at the barrel of the gun? |
| Date | 18:17:59, December 05, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | [OOC] TDP, yes you make a point, but in some NON-western countries like Africa and India etc,, the natives there exersise their right to SELF-preservation by (literally) WRESTLING and stabbing tigers, lions, and bears. The "inalienable right" that exists is SELF-preservation. The "Right to Bear arms" exists to ENFORCE that basic right. |
| Date | 18:41:42, December 05, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Gun Control Compromise & Reform Act |
| Message | There are no inalienable rights. Human 'rights' are a convenience. A way to avoid having to make REAL arguments. There are no 'rights' other than those a culture enforces for itself. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 173 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 361 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 132 |
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