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Bill: Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberty Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2494
Description[?]:
| "It's ridiculous that, say, due to an outbreak of Mad Cow Disease in North Zardugal, the Central Government makes all farmers buy and use medicines, isolation barns, bio hazard suits etc..yet due to current legislation, farmers in the South, thousands of kilometers away, must go through the same regulation. That's just one example of why this kind of policy should be left to the Provincial governments of Zardugal to decide. This is a Federation, after all." ~James Allan, Shadow Trade and Industry Minister |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health and safety legislation for industry.
Old value:: The government introduces and actively regulates health and safety legislation in all areas of industry.
Current: The government introduces and actively regulates health and safety legislation in all areas of industry.
Proposed: Health and safety laws are to be determined by local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:35:09, November 24, 2007 CET | From |  Irish Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | The central government can still make restrictions for affected areas only. |
| Date | 04:57:31, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | "It's still tied up in bureaucracy. Provincial governments know their land best, and should have every opportunity to manage it. Who would the workers trust more? The Governor of Kalvere or some Central Government bureaucrat in a Belgae government office? I know who my money's on." ~James Allan |
| Date | 13:03:11, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | Standards on health and safety should not change depending what part of the nation you are in. Okay, there will be extreme circumstances occasionally, like you mentioned, which will require different restrictions to apply to different areas. But overall, standards should be the same. You can't say that it's safe to do X in one province, but not another. |
| Date | 18:25:47, November 25, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | We think that avery citizen has the right to get the same health services |
| Date | 06:54:23, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | "The right to be treated the same as everyone else even when it is not to your own advantage? The LP has being pushing this legislation so that the diverse industries across Zardugal and their workers can be regulated by the government that knows them best; the local government. Why should a groundsman working in the deserts of central Zardugal in 45C heat be subject to the same regulations as a bricklayer in the North working in sub 0 temperatures? It creates mountains of red tape for the Belgae bureaucrats who've never seen the regions their subjects work in, and half the time they'll get it wrong. We propose devolutionizing this responsibility for the same reason we proposed the devolution of shelters; local governments know their area best and are the best authority to deal with the specific needs of that Province." ~James Allan |
| Date | 16:12:37, November 26, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | "The central government will need the advice of experts as well as the local government. The laws we think of set a range of nationwide standards, which (of course) only affect those regions which have the conditions mentioned in the law. The Liberty party thinks that we force the workers in desert areas to wear the same clothes that the workers in the northern mountains. That's simply not true. We just set up rules, which define which clothes are needed under which conditions. That's a really huge mass of laws - no discussion on that - but it ensures, that every worker can work under a minimal degree of safety, wherever he lives." |
| Date | 09:40:23, November 27, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | "To use that example, the central government isn't ignorant enough to force workers from each extreme of the thermometer to wear the same clothes, but I doubt some Belgae bureaucrat will have the best idea of what workers should be wearing, even with "expert help". I also wonder why you want to enlist "expert help" from the various Provinces when you seem to believe that if you're in local government, you don't care what conditions the local workers are subject too. I challenge NAM to explain why a Belgae bureaucrat, with the information provided by the local authorities, should dictate what conditions workers from a Province they've never been to. Why not take the bureaucratic process out and let the "experts" from the Province itself dictate regulation? From what you've said so far, one would think NAM wants to add more bureaucracy and expand the powers of the Central Government just for the sake of it." ~James Allan |
| Date | 15:58:00, November 27, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | We have a different view on the things. We think, that the central government should regulate everything whcih can't be done in a better way by local authorities. In your view, the local government should have as much authorities as possible. Both views have advantages and disadvantages. A strong central government guarantees equal rights for every citizen independent from the regionhe lives in. On the other hand, this creates more bureaucracy. But we think we can live with it, because equal rights are more important than effectiveness. |
| Date | 16:38:47, November 27, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | All that is being debated is whether or not health and safety should be regulated by the central government or provincial governments. The Revolutionary Socialist Party believes that every man or woman cannot in good conscience vote that worker's health and safety regulations should vary depending on the area you happen to live in. Necessities between regions is already differentiated, but we cannot allow health and safety standards to vary, though they may demand improvement, but by the central government. |
| Date | 08:30:56, November 28, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | "The Liberty Party believes that, for economic prosperity, workers must feel safe in their workplace. It's an incentive to work. We are fundamentally against regulation, but we must compromise on this issue to give workers from diverse backgrounds the best possible conditions. Conditions will be far better handled with a Provincial Governor overseeing the local industries them some Belgae bureaucrat. If a special need arises for a particular industry, the local government will be far quicker to handle it then a bureaucrat thousands of Ks away. There will be fundamental regulation that every Province will adopt, but giving them the power to regulate more specific areas of industry will not only give workers in that area a far more efficient Regulatory Body, but will free up staff and time for the already bloated Central Government to concentrate on issues of national importance." ~James Allan |
| Date | 08:43:02, November 28, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | Yet this is entirely unconscionable to treat workers differently depending on where they are employed and seems to demonstrate an almost criminal neglect of the needs of the working class. It is not out of the range of possibility that some mayor will legislate that fully protective clothing for workers cleaning hazardous waste is not mandated, as a cost-cutting procedure. Workers who happen to live in sane regions may be no worse off (but are unlikely to be any better) than currently, but the entire concept is inherently discriminatory and unfair. |
| Date | 11:28:07, December 01, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Diverse Policy for a Diverse Industry |
| Message | "Who's to say the Central Government won't do that? Obviously, bureaucrats in Belgae wouldn't do that for the very same reason that Mayor in a far flung corner of the Federation wouldn't do that. They all answer to the majority, who are affected by their bureaucrat's decisions. Governor's are elected, Mayors are elected in direct elections, and representatives are elected at a federal level right here in the Directory. Zardugal is a democracy. All officials must answer to someone." ~James Allan |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 234 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 167 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Zardugal is a nation based on the old Byzantine Empire, with a modern twist and the Esperanto language. Zardugal is located on the continent of Majatra. |
| Random quote: "Hunger is not the worst feature of unemployment; idleness is." - William E. Barrett |