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Bill: Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2492
Description[?]:
This bill simply asserts that it is COUNTER-productive for the Convocation to debate whether the Government should recognize "heterosexual" marriages or "homosexual marriages" or even "alien marriages." Rather, MARRIAGE is an institution of RELIGION and the Government should play NO ROLE in "marrying" anyone, whether Gay or Straight. If the Roman Catholic Church only marries men and women and the Immeressen Church (hypothetically speaking, of course) marries Gay and Lesbian couples, then it is the perogative of Government to intervene in NEITHER. On the other hand, atheists don't believe in marriage anyway, so why should they be "forced" to marry against their will? All in all, this bill benefits ALL. Thanks for your full support. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: The government does not involve itself in marriage or civil unions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:51:45, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | Can some please offer a legitimate RATIONALE for opposing this common-sense bill??? In essence, this bill allows ALL types of marriage, whether gay, polygamy, etc. |
| Date | 06:46:47, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | Other way round. Only the government should be involved in marriages... let's keep all the religious groups out of it, instead. The law as it stands now is perfect... men can marry men, women can marry women... anyone that can legally consent can marry anyone else that can legally consent. This CWFP law is pointless and destructive. |
| Date | 15:05:56, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | ***Why*** should it be a government bureaucrat's decision of who should get married or not??? I mean, doesn't the government have ***more important*** things to do other than "marrying" people??? Please explain. |
| Date | 21:38:56, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | The government doesn't have to actually perform the ceremonies.... seriously... All the government has to do, is the one thing religious groups CAN'T do - which is decide FAIRLY who can marry, without the ideological pressures inherent in being ascribed to a certain religious code. Churches can't decide fairly. The government can. And the current law is perfect... as it stands, anyone can marry anyone else, provided both (all?) parties CAN and DO give consent. The CWFP proposal is thus redundant and, actually, destructive. |
| Date | 18:50:47, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | Drang, if the Government stays out of the "marriage business" in the first place, then that means that AUTOMATICALLY gays can marry . [OOC] Case in point: Most organized religions do not marry gays and lesbians, right? Well, there are actually SOME Christian churches that DO marry gays. For example, the Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan, the American Catholic Church, and the Reformed Rabbis of America. They all perform "gay rites" but b/c the State doesn't recognize gay marriage, those churches are denied their religious freedom. [IC] Therefore, the CWFP believes that "marriage" is an institution of RELIGION and the Church and religious societies (whether conservative or liberal) should decide whom to marry. The State only plays the role of issuing out Licences for legal purposes and property sharing etc. |
| Date | 21:30:31, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | The CWFP could probably be more wrong if they tried, but they'd have to try pretty hard. Gays cannot automatically marry when there is lack of government interference. Even ignoring local and provincial policies againtst the act, there is no RECOGNITION oby other churches of the gay marriages sanctioned by a few modern churches. That's why the government HAS to be involved, and religions have to butt out. |
| Date | 23:14:30, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | Drang, what are you talking about??? If Government steps, then each INDIVIDUAL religious denomination will decide who can marry and who can't. We will reiterate: some churches will prohibit gays from marrying while OTHERS [like the Immerence Church....:) ] will marry them. |
| Date | 06:27:26, November 27, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom FOR [& FROM] Religion Act |
| Message | Well done. The CWFP finally catch up. We will not have a nation where a marriage can be recognised in Frekken County... but not once you cross the line into Gerren County. And that's exactly what will happen if one central (non-denominational) body is NOT governing it. It's really not that hard. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 181 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 302 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 183 |
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