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Bill: DSP bill #8: Seperation of church and state
Details
Submitted by[?]: CSA Democratic Socialist Party of Hutori
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2492
Description[?]:
| The government has no place in religion and religion has no place in government! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:11:05, November 25, 2007 CET | From | "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party | To | Debating the DSP bill #8: Seperation of church and state |
| Message | "1 and 3 yes, 2 no. Religious belief is free. And a belief that doesn't manifest in conduct of life, in opinions concerning the world and human being or in external signs like religious symbols, is no belief. If you ban the manifestation of belief you may as well ban the belief itself. Besides, the religious symbols that atheists wear are, if you want, that they don't wear any. Do you want to bar the atheists from this their religious symbols or do you want to declare their symbols compulsory for all?...You see there are certain discrepancies when we consequently think about this proposal..." David Goldstern, party's chief ideologist |
| Date | 20:12:58, November 25, 2007 CET | From | SocLib '82 | To | Debating the DSP bill #8: Seperation of church and state |
| Message | What the Aesthetic Party said. :P |
| Date | 20:13:52, November 25, 2007 CET | From | CSA Democratic Socialist Party of Hutori | To | Debating the DSP bill #8: Seperation of church and state |
| Message | It only states that they cannot wear them while conducting their duties. They're free to wear whatever they want outside of work but while acting as a public official, people should not be wearing religious symbols. Religion is a private matter to begin with. |
| Date | 04:02:24, November 26, 2007 CET | From | SocLib '82 | To | Debating the DSP bill #8: Seperation of church and state |
| Message | Yes, but this bill infringes upon their freedom of speech and acts as if that their beliefs should have no effect on the way they conduct their jobs. It is unrealistic and unfair. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 171 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 69 |
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