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Bill: Humane Refugee Policy
Details
Submitted by[?]: removed
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2039
Description[?]:
| When refugees from wartorn areas come knocking at our national door we submit them to a long and humiliating trial before possibly letting them in. This is a violation of the refugees freedom of movement and also a great waste of tax money. This bill is aimed towards fixing that. If it is passed we will only check that they are not known criminals, and all immigrants will be helped to find Telamonian work and education so that they can support themselves.Altogether it will take about one week from arrival to a productive Telamon-dweller |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; no aid is given to them.
Current:
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invalid choiceProposed: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | We have concerns about the potential for abuses of this policy, in particular for economic migrants simply seeking a better life to mascarade as refugees in order to enter this country instead of going through the proper channels. Whilst we have no problems with economic migrants who have skills to contribute to the Commonwealth of Telamon and whilst we therefore have no problems with immigration, we nevertheless feel that some restriction on the admittance of refugees is necessary to ensure that abuses of the system do not occur. Let these people come in through the proper immigration channels (we support the process being speeded up) and let our refugee policy be for those who are truly suffering from persecution and danger - may we grant every assistance to them. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | That's the point. At the first arrival we don't make a difference between refugees and others. The limit is so unclear so there is no effective procedure to admit all refugees and no one else. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | If they want economic support from the state they still have to provide arguments why they must stay here. But if they provide for themselves they can't get anything from us without giving us something that is worth at least as much, so each extra immigrant is a plus. Keep'em coming man. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | Also the social tourists or whatever you call your leeches are kept out since they have to work for their living and thus don't get their twit-haven. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | Yes, we see your point but we can't just accept and welcome them all. Refugees should be those who are genuinly persecuted and immediatly upon entering the country claim asylum. All others i.e economic migrants should apply outside the country and not on arrival. All refugees who arrive without the necessary papers and fail to apply for asylum immediatly should be returned. Equally, we should only accept refugees from those states where we identify the possibility of repression, for example Zimbabwe, Ivory Coast, Columbia etc.. For them yes we should accept them all but for those from countries such as Ghana, South Africa etc, where there are no known human rights problems, they should be considered as economic migrants and unless they have the right application papers on arrival should be deported. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | The point about them having to justify their continuing residence if they wish to claim government benefits etc. goes some way to allaying our concerns, but then we are not integrating them fully. If we are going to welcome them and integrate them into society then they should have the same rights as citizens, we should be 'discriminate' before they arrive or on arrival, not once they are integrated into society. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | But why? Filling out a couple of papers don't take that long. They can do that at the border guardstations or policestation or whatever. ID them and check them against crime-registers we must do for refugees too, otherwise terrorists will get in that way. And they all have to pay their way. What possible problem is there with letting economic and politic refugees go in the same way? |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | The problem is not so much allowing them both in the same way, the problem is welcoming all economic migrants (who pretend to be refugees)regardless of whether or not they have anything of benefit to bring to Telamon and integrating them into society. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | Genuine refugees should always be admitted but economic migration should be regulated. Therefore we need to ensure that economic migrants don't seek to bypass these controls by pretending to be refugees. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | Everyone has something. If nothing else they have 24h/day of labour. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | The proposal is not to feed anyone who comes here forever. The proposal is to let people who think that they will be better off working for us than staying in their own homelands have a chance at doing that. What is there to lose? If they come then they pay us, if not then we at least save the cost of refugee/immigration burocracy. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | But one has to remember native Telamonians, whilst we should admit skilled migrants to fill jobs we need and yes migrants to do jobs that natives don't want to , we can't just have migrants flooding in and taking jobs which could go to native Telamonians. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | Let them all in we can only benefit in the long run |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | UCA: How many do you think would be flooding in? There are lots of places that feed their "refugees" for months while checking them That's were the fakes go. Also, when some new people start working and producing wealth that will in itself create new jobs that will go Telomonians. Since we don't have wage-regulation we don't have unemployment, so "taking away" jobs is not an issue. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | Thanks. Then we only need two more seat, so any supporting party will do. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | UCA: What would it take for you to support liberal immigration policies. Would it be good enough if any immigrants who don't have a job within six months must provide proof of refugee status or be expelled? Within one month? What if they have to pay an extra, mandatory, tax until they provide such proof or obtain citizenship? |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | I really resent the tax idea, but there is no "genuinely persecuted" ID, so to establish that takes a thorow and rather expensive investigation. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | What I propose is that the government lists all countries in which it believes human rights etc. are being abused. Immigrants from these countries provided that they can prove that they are from those countries, will be considered refugees and given government support. All other migrants will be considered economic ones, must register with the authorities and be given an ID card to carry. They will be allowed to work etc. but will be forbidden from claiming any benefits they have worked continuously for a period of 3 years OR have obtained legal citizenship. Any without a job after 6 months would automatically be repatriated. |
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From | | To | Debating the Humane Refugee Policy | | Message | UCA: We will accept those additions. We don't feel that the list of countries is necessary, but it will be compiled. The rest is fine, those who are serious will get a job within 6 months. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 41 |
| no | Total Seats: 18 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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