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Bill: Moderate Healthcare Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Saiserist League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2493
Description[?]:
| Recognizing that healthcare is a basic human right, and should be made available for all regardless of financial situation, sexual orientation, race or creed, proposes the establishment of a public healthcare system to run alongside the current private ones to ensure that all Zardugali citizens receive the healthcare they require. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Current: Health care is entirely private.
Proposed: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:30:27, November 28, 2007 CET | From |  Liberty Party | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | "Do you have any idea of what this would do to the vast majority of the population who can support themselves, or are being supported through family, friends and private charity who rely on the private system for their health needs? There is nothing your pathetic group of extremists can do, even though good intentioned, that won't have a negative effect over all. Passing this law is condemning the private system to inflation of prices, lack of staff and services and a overall drop of quality and quantity. Besides, this is completely unnecessary. The LP recognizes that health care is very important, and if all other options have being exhausted, the State will pay for some individual's treatment. Meanwhile, the rest of the population benefits from a stable health system which gives them choice, (do you think the State will be nice enough to set up hospitals catering for various religions, like alternative blood transfusion wards for Jehovah's Witnesses and mosques for Zardugal's Muslim population?) quality service that's improving every day due to competition, and most important of all, a competitive price." ~Wade Kravant, Minister of Health and Social Services |
| Date | 10:07:14, November 28, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | Members of the Liberty Party, we of the Revolutionary Socialists have attempted a veneer of patience and forbearance with the unending barrage of infantile mockery, but now we must state that your reception to the proposal is, not to put too fine a point on it, insane. The Revolutionary Socialist Party is at the current time bending over backwards to accomodate the desires of other parties, and in return has only been slapped in the face. Well, that's politics. It is also an abject admission of the Liberty Party's ignorance the inclusion of Muslim mosques as a reason against a public health service, Muslims are more than willing to be cured in standard hospitals, but if they want faith-healing they are more than welcome to go to the local mosque. Of course the prices in the private system will go up and they will flounder, but because they will lose all of their business to the efficient, dedicated, and free service of the national hospitals. Establishing a national health service will provide healthcare to all Zardugali citizens, whether rich or poor, man, woman or child. Incidentally, there are several nations with fully national healthcare services, which the leaders of the Revolutionary Socialists know personally, and they suffer no catastrophic economic problems. |
| Date | 12:14:02, November 28, 2007 CET | From | Ancient and Noble Order of the Cavaliers | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | "I do hope that the Socialists realise that there isn't any money to pay for this!" -the Duke of Lawlborough, Chancellor |
| Date | 14:07:57, November 28, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | The Revolutionary Socialist wishes to make a joint statement to the Duke of Lawlborough saying that the Cavalier and Liberty Parties cannot have it both ways. They cannot reject attempts to pull in more revenue by moderate tax increases and use lack of surplus revenue to pay for basic social services. The proposals made are quite simple, they are nothing too radical, and the Revolutionary Socialists believe the reception they have garnered is a clear indication as to how extreme reactionary parties there are in Zardugal. |
| Date | 14:22:57, November 28, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | If you want money for this, then stop lowering taxes whenever you get a chance. |
| Date | 08:50:51, November 29, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | "That would require my party forcing people to pay for other's health. I'm looking out for the individual here." ~Wade Kravant |
| Date | 13:16:38, November 29, 2007 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Moderate Healthcare Reform |
| Message | Don't they already do that with health insurance? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 185 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 216 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Dorvik is a nation based on Germanic and old Prussian cultures, it is located on the far north of Artania, making it an almost arctic nation. |
| Random quote: "There is no problem that cannot be solved with diplomacy or debate. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not need a gun, but a direct ride to a mental health clinic." - Ascentio Cartaginese, former Istalian politician |