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Bill: Progressive Healthcare
Details
Submitted by[?]: Saiserist League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2495
Description[?]:
| "There is something very, very wrong in a state where anybody who needs healthcare is unable to get it. We have already 'socialized' the police force, libraries, fire departments, and they are no different than our healthcare system. Would anybody here think it conscionable if the police would only protect those who have a 'police insurance', and it would be in the private police force's interest to somehow manage to renege even on a valid insurance policy? Any system where doctors are encouraged to find some way to avoid curing a patient, any patient, if it is at all possible, is a system I do not want our good Zardugal to be a part of. Make the right decision, and thank you for your time." -Daniel V. Feterokov, in the proposition speech to the National Directory |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Current: Health care is entirely private.
Proposed: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:10:26, December 03, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Progressive Healthcare |
| Message | "Police progress by learning from how outlaws behave. Libraries progress by responding to the literature market. Fire departments progress by studying fire and applying theory in the field. This bill is entirely flawed. How can a public system, free from competition, ever progress? Sure, they could come up with more efficient ways to deal with illness, but where's the incentive in a nationalized system?" ~Wade Kravant, Minister of Health and Social Services |
| Date | 07:12:23, December 03, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Progressive Healthcare |
| Message | "Even if we support a more moderate kind of health service, we voted yes to underline our support for health care in general." |
| Date | 11:38:32, December 03, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Progressive Healthcare |
| Message | "Once again the Right responds with a flawed analogy. Police forces compete with private security companies, but those companies are regulated extensively to ensure they enforce the law properly and cause no harm to innocent people. As police learn from outlaws, libraries learn from popular literature, fire departments learn from fires, so healthcare learns from diseases. If the police, libraries, fire department, postal service, and a whole host of other industries are to be 'socialized', it is ludicrous to assume that healthcare should not. Plus under a nationalized system doctors can be given incentives to cure people better, whereas under a private system there motivation is to deny care. This is because the money that insurance companies pay for their customer's care is money out of their coffers, so clearly it is in their financial interest to find some loophole to deny care. In a system built on the pursuit of financial progress, the result is inescapable. Fire departments have no competition and are nationalized, yet they are not drowning in Belgae bureaucratic red tape, and instead respond to emergencies in a timely and fantastic manner and respond with heroism that no private company could ever muster. Indeed, were we to privatize the fire department, the initial response to an emergency would not be, "We'll be there right away" as it is now, but "Can you prove beyond doubt that you have a policy with our organization?" I don't want to live in that world." -Daniel Vladimirovich Feterokov, Chairman of the Revolutionary Socialist Party |
| Date | 15:06:29, December 03, 2007 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Progressive Healthcare |
| Message | "This bill is entirely flawed. How can a public system, free from competition, ever progress? Sure, they could come up with more efficient ways to deal with illness, but where's the incentive in a nationalized system?" Hang on here just a minute. Competition, in the business sense, is muscling out all the other business to try and gain a monopoly, right? Now you want "competition" in healthcare... a service in which cutting costs could well mean the deaths of many sick men, women and children... The DCL alliance have clearly lost it. |
| Date | 20:10:21, December 03, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Progressive Healthcare |
| Message | We support this bill. And to the LP: The incentive to progress is the knowledge that progress means more lives can be saved. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 167 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 234 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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