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Bill: Fair Representation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Democrats
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2040
Description[?]:
| I believe that a person in one region should have the same influence on the government as someone in another region. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | We went through this before. The system you are suggesting will lead to tyranny by the majority. Are the views of smaller regions any less valid? Does the Liberal Democratic Party have an interest in supressing the voices of the weak? |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | We went through this before. The system you are suggesting will lead to tyranny by the majority. Are the views of smaller regions any less valid? Does the Liberal Democratic Party have an interest in supressing the voices of the weak? |
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From |   Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | No need to post it twice ;) You think that regions aren't divided. A vote is an individidual matter, not a matter for the regions. I don't think it will end up being a tyranny by the majority. Besides a tyranny by the minority is much worse. Why should 37% of the people get a vote equal to 50% just because of the regions they are in? |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | (Double post was an accident... I don't actually know why it happend. I'm not THAT much in love with my own retoric =) But that is the system we have today! The larger regions DO have greater representation, and you wish to increase it even fiurther, marginalizing the votes of people who do not live in Bandorra . Why should the vote of someone who perfers the pastoral landscape of Dugathan be worth less than those rich slackers of Bandorra in their penthouse suites? What we have now is not a tyranny at all, but a system where every voice must be listened to. You would suggest having the large states rule the country with an iron fist. And while there are intra regional disputes, you can not deny that the interests of two people in Tirkalara lie closer together than the interests of a Tirkalaran and a Bandorran. |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | And vis versa. You're switching one unfair system for another unfair system. The difference is, the unfair system we currently have precludes discrimination against minorities, while your unfair system would encourage it. |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | I did read about it on the forums. While yours is closer to equal representation, my point is that pure, equal representation leads to unfair government. Look at Zimbabwe, where elections that were suprisingly free and open ended up electing a party that supports the wholesale slaughter of white farmers? Minorities must be protected from the majority, and if that means handing them a little more power than 'is fair', then I say, good enough. |
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From | Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | Equal representation also happens in other countries like The Netherlands, while there are region it's purely for bureacracy, they don't get allocated a number of seats in the parliament. Also I don't think Zimbabwe is one the best (and non corrupt and moral) democracies in the world. But that's a different matter. Anyone else an opinion? |
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From | Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | "Minorities must be protected from the majority"
I wouldn't neccessarily agree with that statement fully (re: affirmative action, etc), but I do understand protecting minorities from a tyranny of the majority. Anyway, equal representation is good, so long as we have safeguards to ensure rights aren't infringed upon via a majority vote. |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | The thing is, we don't. Or rather, we do now, but we won't if this bill passes. Currently, the defence we have is giving minorities slightly more representation, per capita, than the majority. If this bill passes there will be no safeguards at all. |
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From | Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | Except that all of the current parties in our parliament are quite reasonable and will not allow a tyranny ;) I'll put it to vote after the elections, it would revert back to debate state anyway. |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | We cannot rely on the decency of political parties, defences must be legislated. |
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From | Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | Crap, with SD idle it'll never get the 2/3 needed, ow well. Another round maybe, now I'l at least know where everybody stands. |
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | I could be persuaded to vote for it... assuming consessions were made in other areas...
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From | | To | Debating the Fair Representation | | Message | Need another party to vote for my cabinet. Apparently we need an absolute majority, not merely a relative majority. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 65 |
| no | Total Seats: 0 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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