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Bill: industry
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2103
Description[?]:
| The 2 plains that crashed last month, crashed beceause of a lack of maintenance. They needed to compete and therefore ignored all laws imposed by the government for safety and employee laws. That is just one ver small reason why we should nationalize our industry's! There are tons more... but then well allright i'll just go on. Lets say there is a shoe-factory and the worker who works at the man-shoe machine earns $6,5 an hour the costs for these shoes are $5 (really...) and the shoe is sold for $50. Lets say the machine creates 20 pairs of shoes each hour. That means the boss of that company earns $895,5 and hour out of the work of this labourer that earns $6,5. Lets say maintenance costs are $100 an hour (which would be high) then he would earn $795,5 an hour. is this fair? no, it's capitalism. is it fair to take away this property? yes, it is a compensation for the years and years of exploitation of our workers, nature and great country! The reason we are waiting so long on certain medicines is beceause they are not profitable, such as a cure for AIDS. AIDS-breakers (that slows down AIDS) are much more profitable! We as a 3rd world country have 2 options! 1 is laysez-fair capitalism! Which means low tax and low minimum-wages so that we lure big imperialist companies. Or socialism, then please let it be the last one! We are not able to uphold all social services we are currently offering with capitalism! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
Current: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Proposed: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:16:00, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | ...Your descriptions are becoming entertainment to me... |
| Date | 17:16:13, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | Do you believe people believe in your wild jokes? |
| Date | 17:22:35, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | Even I disagree with this. |
| Date | 17:31:47, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | well then tell me what is the joke? |
| Date | 17:40:07, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | and i assume CoL is against beceause he prefers democratic workers councils. |
| Date | 20:22:03, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | w00t! workers councils! Death to State-Capitalism! No state-sponsored and operated hierarchy! lol Seriously now, the government owning and operating everything means that they need to appoint managers and directors, etc. a hierarchy. So in the end, all this does is makes the state one large corporation with no liberties for a normal man to open up a simple shop. Using the giving money back to the workers excuse doesn't work here because the state gets the money the worker produces rather than the workers getting the money. This is bad for both capitalism and socialism. |
| Date | 20:23:37, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | you haven't studied the Soviet Union, the people's republic of China and every other socialist state in the history of mankind have you? The people are not ready at the moment for workers councils we need at least 50 years before those will be able to work! |
| Date | 09:38:41, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the industry |
| Message | What they said. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 15 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 142 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 43 |
| Random fact: Particracy has been running since 2005. Dorvik was Particracy's first nation, the Dorvik Social Democrats the first party and the International Greens the first Party Organisation. |
| Random quote: "In this age, the man who dares to think for himself and to act independently does a service to his race" - John Stuart Mill |