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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2104
Description[?]:
| In order that our people be best served by easily available, and affordable health care - a two-tier health-care service is proposed by the Anarch Anakrousite Party. It is the belief of the Anarch Anakrousite Party representatives, that centralised health care would be able to provide more cost-effective health care, through leveraged price negotiations of medications, and centralisation of resources. However, in order to uphold free market values, the Anarch Anakrousite Party recommends that a separate tier of healthcare be available to those who wish to invest their capital differently - allowing individuals to 'opt-in' to private healthcare programs. Old Law: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes. Proposal: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Current: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Proposed: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:18:29, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | A free health care would increase government expenditure and therefore taxation enormously. The current system benefits everyone. Those who can afford it can pay for their own treatment when they need it, rather than contributing tax dollars. Those who can't afford it already have their health care paid for by the government anyway. The system is fine. |
| Date | 20:22:20, August 29, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | I agree with the CPL on this one. The free market will determine the best medical care, and as long as the poor have subsidies for their care, they can make their own ch\oices as to what they want to do. |
| Date | 23:50:53, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | I don't see how free health care affects government expenditure. The Anarch Anakrousite party does not suggest that a person must use BOTH available routes. An example mechanism would involve a 'governmentally held' healthcare fund - that covers the 'public health care' (nobody suggested 'free'). INSTEAD of investing in public health care, a person could invest in private health care. The AAP envisions that the first catchment would have to wait longer for SOME procedures (non-emergency), but would pay much lower premiums, and would have access to all of the 'state' facilities with no worries about 'insurance' details. The OTHER catchment could still receive EMERGENCY treatment at 'state' facilities, or could choose rapid response healthcare from private facilites - although private care premia would likely be a little higher. Would the CPL abd RLP be willing to consider the bill if such was made implicit in the bill language? |
| Date | 11:58:02, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | I suppose this sounds fine, the government preventing medical insurence from installing high premiums, but I am still not entirely sure if you have your costing worked out. If the government takes responsibility for a healthcare fund, then surely it will have to use subsidize the funds in order to keep premiums down, certainly the subsidies would be larger than the current subsidies to the poor to help them with their healthcare costs. This measure will increase government expenditure slightly, and we wonder if that is entirely necessary as the currrent system seems to manage ok. |
| Date | 17:05:59, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | Response to CPL representatives: We take your concerns on board, but feel that there may be different solutions to your perceived problems. Example: AAP research shows that larger corporations can leverage more advantageous costing from suppliers, and it is THIS method that the AAP sees as keeping premiums down - plus the fact that more people are likely to pay into a national scheme with guaranteed lower prices. Since the AAP envisions this program being sponsored by the consumer, our representatives also believe that the cost will be substantially lower, to the government, in comparison to the current scheme. At the moment, the government has to pay 'private facility' prices for treatment of the poor - whereas, our proposal puts some facilities in the hands of the collective government, enabling the cost of care to be stipped to a minimum. |
| Date | 17:10:55, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | As long as govt. financial input can be kept down, and citizens are not prevented or discouraged from buying private insurance, then we see no further problem with tis bill. |
| Date | 22:05:23, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | I would be in favour of free healthcare, and a tax raise. That way those earning more pay more - which is fairer than either the current system or the proposed. Healthcare is a basic right. I will support this bill but lobby for further nationalisation. |
| Date | 01:21:23, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | Response to LPE: The Anarch Anakrousite Party is not intending this to be the death of the debate over healthcare. Our representatives will happily enter into the debate over further nationalisation. |
| Date | 01:24:05, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Health Care |
| Message | Response to LPE: The Anarch Anakrousite Party is not intending this to be the death of the debate over healthcare. Our representatives will happily enter into the debate over further nationalisation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 137 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 45 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 33 |
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