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Bill: War Is Upon Us
Details
Submitted by[?]: Meritocratic Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2501
Description[?]:
| Dear Solentians, this day December 12, 2499 is a day which shall live, in infamy. The office of the Supreme President received the following communique: "From Conservative Party of Kafuristan To Solentian Radical Nationalist Party Message As you are the most important party in Solentia - we at the CPK propose territorial land claims. Kafuristan would like both Nukeya and Orame to help build our country. We suggest you support this proposal. " We have outright rejected this. Investigations to the matter have shown that indeed the Kafuris are in votes to conquer our lands and annex our territories: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=161617 Forget our partisan squabbling. We are now in a fight to exist. Our liberal policy allowing our use of Biological, Chemical, and Atomic measures for any reason allow us to give the threat of first trike, but they are similarly under no contraints. It is time, Senators, to discuss this matter gravely, and quickly. We did not seek war out, but war has found us. Supreme President Max Bowman |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:52:01, December 12, 2007 CET | From | New NationalistParty for Peoples Good | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | kill them all!! |
| Date | 17:52:40, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | The Presidential responce to Kafuristan: "To the people of Kafuristan Understand that as Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia, I have the duty to my citizens to protect us by all possible measures. We do not wish a war with our neighbors, but should you insist upon threatening us with further communications such as the sort we received from your Conservative Party, we will take our first-stike option and annihilate your country from the earth. Your deserts will be radioactive glass, your farmlands will whither and burn, your cities will be vast decaying monuments to the dead for 10,000 years. We both posess the ability to destroy one another. It would be folly to do so, and you would accomplish nothing. Know that the people of Solentia stand united when it comes to defense of the homeland, and we will allow nothing to cause loss by outside aggression. Let us therefore instead live as neighbors in peace. Let this be a day when cooler heads in your county prevail, and will all be spared the unthinkable. Those who know me and my party know well these are not idle threats. These are merely facts. Supreme President Max Bowman. " |
| Date | 18:03:03, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | We have no means to annex your lands merely to expand upon our own. We fear the Arab population in Solentia will face persecution for the SRNP and are doing what we believe is right, in order to unite our own peoples. |
| Date | 18:08:33, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | The Arab population has never faced any difficulties. You are using that as an excuse to grab land. If you came here to talk peace, I advise you to speak carefully. |
| Date | 18:13:08, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Never doesn't mean will not. If peaceful measures can be taken to ensure the people of Kafuristan are happy, then as are we. |
| Date | 18:16:56, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | They receive equal protection under the law. Any further measures to protect minorities would be prejudicial. We are one Solentian people. I remind you to check a map as to where the border of your nation ends. |
| Date | 18:22:06, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | I see where they end - that, my friend, is the problem. |
| Date | 18:25:09, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | The delegate from Kafuristan can measure his words much more carefully or he can return to his homeland in a series of diplmatic bags. Senator Testor |
| Date | 18:27:08, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | May we note that Kafuristan will not fire a gun or launch any form of missile until this has officially went through the legislative process. This whole situation can easily be avoided. |
| Date | 18:29:20, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Then avoid it. In the meantime, you are dismissed from Nobile Solentia. We will accept no further comments as of merit, save by your Head of State. |
| Date | 18:31:46, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | As we hold the Foreign Ministry of Solentia we would like to engage in a series of talks with the Conservative Party of Kafuristan to discuss this issue rationaly. However, we would like to point out the protection of ethnic minorities has always been number one on the list of People Party and most other political parties of Solentia's interests. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
| Date | 18:33:15, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | We are happy to open up talks with the PP |
| Date | 18:33:56, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | SRNP, the Foreign Office shall tackle this issue, we do not wish to see the dismissal of this party from our country at this time as discussions must happen and they must happen now. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
| Date | 18:37:27, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | As you wish. For once, try and do your job. |
| Date | 18:39:09, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Mr. Farid al-Maximilian would like to enter this conversation and state the following: ~~ New NationalistParty for Peoples Good To: Debating the War Is Upon Us Message: kill them all!! 'That's exactly what we are trying to eliminate; when I was leading the foreign policy amendments in Kafuristan, I had great respect of Solentia, while wished to ratify a friendship treaty with you, however, I received a rude and abusive message, as a response, which clearly and openly offended Arab pride. We would like to acquire your opinion on this worrying event' |
| Date | 18:40:14, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | 'Furthermore, we shall not tolerate and forgive that easily such offending messages from a previous government of Solentia' Signed, Farid al-Maximilian |
| Date | 18:40:46, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Excuse me, I have always done my job- usually sorting out the messes you create for this country. Just because we don't agree on going to war for the most ridiculous purposes doesn't mean the Foreign Office isn't correct in its actions. May I remind you, you backed the cabinet proposal in which saw me and the People Party take control of the Foreign Office. I now ask for us ALL parties to put these trvial arguments aside so we can concentrate on these important and pending issues which affects all countries and all parties. Timtohy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
| Date | 18:42:25, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Farid al-Maximilian of the Liberal Party We apologise for the comments of this party, we don't know why these comments were used by this party all we can say is they don't help at all with these negotiations and we apologise on behalf of them for the distress they have caused your nation and this debate. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
| Date | 18:42:57, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Sigh.. so pedantic. No one wants to go to war, Secretary Cooper. But if war is upon us, war is to be won. |
| Date | 18:45:10, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | I realise this SRNP I asked all personal quarles to be placed aside such as your comments about Foreign Office failures so full concentration can be placed upon the war. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 18:46:12, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Go for it. |
| Date | 18:46:51, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Perhaps a declaration of war is simply not necessarily here; you all seem on the edge of a civil war... Farid al-Maximilian |
| Date | 18:48:44, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | So, the negotiations shall be between the CP of Kafuristan, which clearly seeks war and the Solentia Foreign Ministry. Very well then; good luck to all. Mr. Cooper, we appreciate your honesty and sense of logic, however, the matter is not just about the message, it's the intentions of both nations. Signed, Farid al-Maximilian |
| Date | 18:50:28, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Mr. Farid al-Maximilian should understand that Solentia does not enter into treaties of friendship lightly, and seldom at all as they are often seen by our people as limiting to our own sovreignty. As for the offensive comment, I do not know, I was not there. We are a member of the International Olympic Committee, the International Boxing Association, and soon the Majatran Song Vision contest. Surely we could find more sporting ways of finding ways to hate one another then mutually assured destruction? -The Prez |
| Date | 18:59:22, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | May I point out that the SRNP, who assures us our people will be safe - is a member of the Anti-Muliticulturalism League. |
| Date | 19:00:28, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | SRNP I have written to you and the president for private discussions. |
| Date | 19:04:14, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | We are indeed a member of the Anti-Multiculturalism league. Solentia has one culture: Solentian. Anyone who does not like it will not be prevented from finding a more favorable abode beyond our God given borders. -The Prez |
| Date | 19:06:37, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | We present you with two options. War - or after discussions with the PP, Kafuristan recieves Nukeya. |
| Date | 19:09:35, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Do you not need any other parties from your own country to back the use of military action before you deliver these options? Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 19:10:26, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | You could say so, but if not, our own militia will do. |
| Date | 19:12:07, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Whilst we regret the position you have put Solentia in and how we believe further negotations with the Foreign Office would have helped this process- we will come to a decision soon. Timtohy Cooper, Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 19:16:46, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | There is no decision to be made. We will not cede land. Letting go of territory is not power that is in the realm of the Foreign Secretary's powers. Nor will this Senate do so. If the foreign delegate of the Conservative Party has nothing further to say, he can leave now. Solentian Army representatives are ready to escort him out. We have also expelled the Kafuri ambassador this afternoon. Good day. |
| Date | 19:20:23, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Expelling people from our country we believe is only a short term solution, if these people are serious about an invasion then we shall be affected by this. So we believe a decision has to be made on this and quite quickly too. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 19:23:04, December 12, 2007 CET | From | New NationalistParty for Peoples Good | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Hola. NNPPG will first of all say that our first comment on this issue isn't so seriously as we didn't think that it wouldn't be so much discussions between the countries here. But. we will never except that you will take over Nukeya. many Solentian live their and we can't abandon them to some terrorstate. and we totally support SRNPs aggressive approach NNPPG HQ |
| Date | 19:23:34, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | "I shall bend like a reed in the wind, while my enemies break before me" -Xzarin Catholic Bible We will wait. |
| Date | 19:27:14, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | 'In a living society every day is a day of judgment; and its recognition as such is not the end of all things but the beginning of a real civilization.' ~ George Bernard Shaw |
| Date | 19:30:23, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Well the Foreign Office shall not wait around- we're going to take action. As the Conservative Party of Kafuristan has delivered us with two options- we have decided we shall not as of yet give up Nukeya and we have sent military troops to the Nukeya district NOT to start a war but to protect that land from invasion and will wait for further occurence from the Kafuristan country on what they plan to do. The Foreign Office is simply installing a short term measure of extra and extreme security in all regions of Solentia but espeically so the Nukeya district which is at the biggest theeat of invasion. From this stage further discussions shall take place. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
| Date | 22:53:24, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Moderate Kafuri Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | The Moderate Kafuri Party, Largest and ruling party in Kafuristan has opposed the annexation of lands belonging to Solentia. There will be no war as long as I am the ruler. I deeply apoligize for the trials and tribulations this has caused for both of our nations. Hydar Mahmood, President of The Republic of Kafuristan. |
| Date | 23:27:46, December 12, 2007 CET | From | New NationalistParty for Peoples Good | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | thank you for your support of peace however. CPK said something about their milita |
| Date | 23:28:45, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Thank you. Our armed forces then will stand down. -The Prez |
| Date | 23:32:00, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | We advise you to remain vigilant against attacks by the militia of the CPK. Current details on the CPK militia. Militia Name: Loyal Blue Militia Headquarters: Ferunston, Tordary Militia: 348,429 |
| Date | 23:32:40, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Moderate Kafuri Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | @ the NNPPG (longest acronym i have seen on this game. congrats) This will be dealt with as well. See here http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=161729 |
| Date | 23:35:57, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Moderate Kafuri Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | @ the NNPPG (longest acronym i have seen on this game. congrats) This will be dealt with as well. See here http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=161729 |
| Date | 23:36:24, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Moderate Kafuri Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | OOC:sorry for the double post. Computer refreshed for some reason |
| Date | 23:38:42, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | KSP, you must understand we are standing down our airstrike squadrons and MRBM silos and returning a lesser DEFCON rating. Our land forces are still watching the CPK militias very carefully, but I have an agreement with your president that we will not attack his own country for the actions of the CPK, IF you continue to keep them in check. I believe this will work out. |
| Date | 05:18:56, December 13, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Apparently, none of us wants to be nuked and totally destroyed so, let's keep things calm for now. Farid al-Maximilian |
| Date | 05:31:57, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the War Is Upon Us |
| Message | Putting this bill up to a vote. Yes: Keep this as a record of the event for historical purposes. No: SRNP will delete discussion bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 287 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 138 |
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