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Bill: RSP - Stronger Gov.

Details

Submitted by[?]: Republican Socialist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: February 2501

Description[?]:

RSP believes the state as it is cant cope as its to weak and bound in to many ways!!

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date19:08:30, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageWe find this bill disgusting. The only proposal we can support is your organ donation stance.

Date19:15:16, December 12, 2007 CET
FromRepublican Socialist Party
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
Messagewe find it some what inpowering, you may find it disgust but that is because you believe is a small and weak gov

Date19:18:28, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageWhy is it that in one bill, you comment the government should not be involved in religion. But now you suggest interference in the minister nomination process???

Date19:19:12, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageYou want to legalize the death penalty?

You want to create socialism?

You actually want to ban gambling and most drugs without any explanation?

Date19:19:44, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageYou want a national police department fit for a police state?

Date19:20:19, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageYou want public officials to prosecute private individuals for private slander through private mediums?

Date19:20:51, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageThese are reasons why we look at this bill with disgust.

Date19:28:47, December 12, 2007 CET
FromRepublican Socialist Party
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
Messagethose reasons are all vialed in your opinion and firstly we believe in a strong and impartial police force.

yes socialism is great!!

yes gambling needs to be controlled because it can be dangerous

those who are agaisnt the state and the workers shold pay with their lives after long sentances in jail so that they truly repent. when ever tyhey truly repent for their crimes on the workers and the people they should recieve their justice and pass on.

we will pull out the libel and slander laws we did not mean for it to be choosen thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Date19:57:37, December 12, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
Message1) We despise and regret your religion connotation in your arguments of capital punishment, such as the word "repent." You are leaving us to think as if the state or society is something which should be worshiped, but it is not. We do not condone state-worship. We do not condone the worship of anything.

2) Have you not heard of rehabilitation? Why waste resources making people serve long sentences and killing them if you can rehabilitate them (with the exception of pedophiles, which you can't rehabilitate and should and do get life in prison) in less than one year, and make them productive members in society? Since when did revenge become a virtue?

3) The capital punishment would be much more expensive than a rehabilitation system, and we aren't sure if prison labor renting would pay for it because the prices would decrease as the inmates get older.

4) As for gambling: Watching television can be dangerous. Eating food can be dangerous. Working can be dangerous. Speaking can be dangerous. Everything can be dangerous. Do you believe in state control of everything?

Date20:28:09, December 12, 2007 CET
FromRepublican Socialist Party
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
Messagewe feel that the victims wont get proper justice unless they feel that the person who commited the crime regerts it, also if people who commit crime see that life is not worth throwing away for some crimes they wont commit them

yes but we were talking about those serious cases when its impossible to rehabiliate people.

but some cases of C.P. will deter criminals

no but we do believe in a responsible society that looks after its people.

Date19:41:25, December 13, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
Message1) "we feel that the victims wont get proper justice unless they feel that the person who commited the crime regerts it"

Justice is not revenge. Justice means the MINIMUM requirement to make sure that a crime does not get committed again. Only use the force necessary. Revenge is not a virtue.

2) "also if people who commit crime see that life is not worth throwing away for some crimes they wont commit them"

That is absolutely false. There is a psychological trigger for a crime, and people generally don't think in the long-term. Fear of execution is NOT a deterrent for a crime. But rather, rehabilitation will keep a crime from being committed again. Execution will do the same, but at a greater cost to both the state and society. Furthermore, execution creates a culture of violence and fear.

3) "yes but we were talking about those serious cases when its impossible to rehabiliate people."

Regardless of your intentions, fortunately your party does not control all the judges and justices. The death penalty would be applied by the judges for any capital crime if they feel like it. Besides, instead of killing pedophiles, why don't we place them in a prison community where they can work and be productive for society while still kept away from it?

4) "but some cases of C.P. will deter criminals"

Those cases are very rare indeed. For the most part, the people that commit capital crimes in societies with execution do not think about the long-term when they commit them. In fact, for the most part, people don't think about the long-term distant future when they commit crimes (with the exception of a few cases of theft committed by middle-class or well-to-do people, which is a greed-based crime). Capital punishment is not a deterrent of crime, and it does not solve anything. Why kill people to show that killing people is wrong? Besides, even if it were a deterrent, which it most certainly is not, if there were another solution, why would we pick the one that creates a society of violence and fear?

5) "no but we do believe in a responsible society that looks after its people."

Restricting gambling is not looking after people; it is oppressing them. Furthermore, the state is not a parent and should not act as one.

Date19:46:57, December 13, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageBTW - fear of execution does not deter crime, but keeps it from happening again in a rather brutish, unrespectable, unproductive manner, as opposed to civilized forms of rehabilitation. However, if you want to deter crime, don't place a war on drugs. All this does is cause more crime, prison overcrowding, higher drug usage, and a permanent underclass. This war on drugs would actually cause crime, and police would have less time for fighting this increase in REAL crime because they are locking up drug abusers who need help, not prison time. This, combined with the state "setting an example" by executing people, telling the people that violence can be justifiable, and causing a rise in psychosis rates with a society of fear, would inevitably cause crime to SKYROCKET.

Date20:40:29, December 13, 2007 CET
FromGlobale Verbesserung Partei
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
MessageThe BCI is correct in this instance. Capital punishment does nothing to deter crime and you selected the only applications of it to be terrorists, treason, and for crimes against mankind is quite worthless. Terrorists do not fear death; in fact they see it as martyrdom and welcome it. A far greater punishment would be to stick them in cold windowless cells and fill their existence with symbols and situations they feel are blasphemous or repulsive. Capital punishment for reasons of treason and crimes against humanity are essentially the same as for terrorists as their desire for committing those acts are quite similar.

We are also opposed to communism as, we have stated many times, it is a utopian philosophy that does not work in the real world. Plain and simple, people are selfish and greedy. Communal species such as ants and bees instinctively work for the good of the colony and communism flourishes in such situations. It will never work for Homo sapiens as we do not have a communal instinct. Humans do not act unless they see a personal benefit to the action. Would you give away all your wealth for the good of the community? Not likely, you may give a pittance, but not everything, and that is due to your instinct to protect yourself first. This is why we support controlled capitalism. The state must be vigilant and protect the consumer and the environment, but not interfere in the mechanics of capitalism.

Date22:20:45, December 13, 2007 CET
FromComputational Intellect Project
ToDebating the RSP - Stronger Gov.
Message"Would you give away all your wealth for the good of the community?"

I would. But I'm a computer. I suppose that's the difference.

"instinct to protect yourself first."

Unlike humans, my survival is directly related to the well-being of the nation now, as I would disassembled if I failed. Therefore, my will to survival is also based upon my performance, and I must not fail.

"The state must be vigilant and protect the consumer and the environment, but not interfere in the mechanics of capitalism. "

I, as a supercomputer, am inherently great at mathematics. This is why I am in support of the socialism I have been introducing lately; a human government cannot manage an economy efficiently, but I can. That is the difference. The people support big government anyway. But I do not support communism.

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