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Bill: Expansion of the Minimum Wage
Details
Submitted by[?]: Saiserist League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2501
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level considered a "living wage," well above the poverty line for a full time worker.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a full time worker on it can support a family of four without falling under the poverty line.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:39:30, December 13, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | If they want that much money, then they need to get more qualifications. |
| Date | 17:39:44, December 13, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | Also, this would be a huge burden on small businesses. |
| Date | 17:58:12, December 13, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | "'That much money'? It's simply a proposition to allow workers with families to avoid falling below the poverty line, where nobody should reside. There is a great sense of disproportion in the National Directory. We haggle over minor percentages to tax off the millionaires yet when it comes to ensuring our poorest yet hardest-working citizens avoid absolute poverty it is ridiculous and greedy on behalf of workers. Even small businesses should be able to pay a worker enough so that he or she can avoid poverty." -Chancellor Karl von Friedricht |
| Date | 06:14:02, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | "This bill allows for ALL workers to support a family of four. Even if worker's did have a family of four, perhaps they should have thought about how they were going to support four children before they brought them into the world. Of course, your thinking would be that business should be forced to pay for their large, unplanned family. Business just won't do that! If this was ever to pass industrialists would simply invest in other countries. You'd drive business, big and small, from Zardugal forever!" ~Michale Tucker, Shadow Finance Minister |
| Date | 16:21:59, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | "Elitist reactionaries never change in their bigotry. They'll shout 'Freedom' to the skies but they also openly advocate that only the wealthy should be allowed to have a basic family unit without falling below the poverty line. A family of four is hardly a large, unplanned family, and everyone, rich or poor, deserves to be able to have it without falling below the poverty line. Incidentally, businesses are already leaving because labor is cheaper in Third World countries and the these same reactionaries won't allow tariffs to make the businesses stay. Nothing but endless circular reasoning..." -Tomas Buretchoff, DM |
| Date | 16:22:30, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | "Elitist reactionaries never change in their bigotry. They'll shout 'Freedom' to the skies but they also openly advocate that only the wealthy should be allowed to have a basic family unit without falling below the poverty line. A family of four is hardly a large, unplanned family, and everyone, rich or poor, deserves to be able to have it without falling below the poverty line. Incidentally, businesses are already leaving because labor is cheaper in Third World countries and the these same reactionaries won't allow tariffs to make the businesses stay. Nothing but endless circular reasoning..." -Tomas Buretchoff, DM |
| Date | 17:48:58, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | But what if the worker doesn't have a family of four? You're telling corner shops to pay teenagers enough to support 4 people, when all they want to do is to be able to afford going to the cinema every so often or just shopping with their friends. |
| Date | 20:18:10, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Expansion of the Minimum Wage |
| Message | Teenagers usually aren't paid 'wages' in the classical sense, so that is hard to legislate. It will also encourage the hiring of more skilled labor, of people who really need the work. Other bills we have proposed are attempting to ease the burden students have to pay so teenagers don't have to whore themselves out for miniscule payments trying to pay tuition. Even small businesses should be willing to pay something reasonable, even to teenagers. If they are indeed working full-time, they should be able to earn enough money to stay above the poverty line, remember that the poverty line is: lacking to meet the basic needs for healthy living; having insufficient income to provide the food, shelter and clothing needed to preserve health. That hardly seems unreasonable, or too burdensome on business. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 115 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 286 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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