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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2104
Description[?]:
| The AAP suggests that there are currently certain areas of Likatonian governance, where the government exerts too much pressure on the dealings of individual private citizens. The AAP would like to recommend the reduction of government power in some of these arenas, as laid out in the following proposals: The AAP seeks removal of the 'eminent domain' mechanism, due to the great risks of abuse, and the irony of allowing private ownership - which can then be revoked. -----NOTE: as proposed (NO eminent domain), but citizens are STRONGLY urged to yield private property (for fair value) when national security (or other emergency) arises? The AAP seeks to encourage the increase of endangered species, but has dropped Proposal 2, due to the concerns of other party members. The AAP seeks to protect the private information of Likatonian citizens, by removing the mechanism that allows ABSOLUTE access to data, and replacing it with a mechanism that grants data-access rights AS NEEDED. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may not seize private property.
Proposed: The government may not seize private property.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Right to privacy.
Old value:: The government has the right to monitor information of individuals without letting them know.
Current: Individuals have a right to privacy, to keep records and information for themselves.
Proposed: Individuals have a right to privacy, but the courts can force individuals to give information on certain matters if needed. (also known as Habeas Data).
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:09:37, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | We are unhappy with Article's One and Two. If it is in the national interests of our nation, the the governmen must be able to seize private property, with compensation. We question the Anarch Anakrousite Party's patriotism. Secondly we do not believe it is in the interests of either the general public, or endangered animals, to allow endangered animals to be kept as pets. In the inteerst of animal welfare we ask for Article 2 to be struck off totally. However Article 3 is fine and individual privacy of a non-criminal should be protected. |
| Date | 16:56:55, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | Response to the CPL representative: How do the Conservative Party of Likatonia defend 'private', in the phrase 'private property', if that property can actually be taken back by the government at any point? It isn't a question of the AAP being UNpatriotic, at all - we believe that our citizens will SELL their private property to the government, if the need is pressing... thus, allowing the procedure to be governed by market forces, rather than by draconian measures. As it stands, at the moment, the government gets to decide (arbitrarily - there is no constitutional definition) - exactly what counts as a 'vital government work'. The AAP representative would like to remind all the other representatives, of some of Likatonia's darker moments - like the seizure of the Gokitan Kindergarten Complex, in order to convert the plot into 'vital government' holiday villas. Regarding the second amendment - surely allowing private ownership (with suitable, but minimal, controls) would actually help reduce the 'endangered' risk of some of Likatonia's more rare animals? However - if this be the will of the majority, the AAP is willing to take Proposal 2 under advisement. |
| Date | 17:19:09, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | We interpret 'vital government work' to be work concerning the defence of Likatonia, and we have been dismayed at previous abuses of Eminent Domain. However, altough this government right does need to be tidied up in a much more specific way, will still think the current law is necessary, along with compensation provided by the government. We cannot possibly see how allowing endangered species to be sold as pets will help the said species. They need special government protection in National Parks and Zoos in order to boost their low numbers with birth schemes, schemes that private individuals could not hope to offer. |
| Date | 22:26:49, August 30, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | We of the RLP find much to comend in this bill, and little if any to condem. The forces of the market will determine if a project is important enough to allow the government to purchase property from it's owner; anything less means that no one really owns property but mearly tends it at the convenience of the state. Proposal 2 is currently being taken up by the exotic pets act, I would refer anyone interested in our suggestions to the spirited debate therein. Proposal 3 is an excellent example of the people having a right to privacy, tempered with the understanding that the state may need data. And if anyone seem to think our stands on 1 and 3 may be contridictory, when data is taken, the owner still has it, it is mearly shared. When property is taken, it is gone. |
| Date | 22:59:07, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | Response to the Radical Libertarian Party: We share a common vision, certainly, regarding proposals one and three of this bill. Regarding the second proposal on this bill - it refers to 'endangered' animals, not necessarily 'exotic' ones. Again, this is one of the issues where the Anarch Anakrousite Party believes a free market can come to the aid of all. |
| Date | 23:02:34, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | Internal communication to CPL - if fair and equitable remuneration is obtained, how would the Conservative Party of Likatonia react to the 'eminent domain' proposal if: It remains as the AAP proposed (NO eminent domain), but the langauge of the Bill is rewritten to strongly urge citizens to yeild private property (for fair value) when national security (or other emergency) arises? |
| Date | 10:30:00, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | We would be supportive of Article One, if that were to be inserted in the description, however we are still against Article Two, as endangered animals will not be benefitted in any way by private ownership. It is the free market that got them their endangered status in the first place. |
| Date | 16:07:36, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | Amendments made to the bill - and language added to the bill text to STRONGLY urge participation from citizens. The AAP is tabling this for the vote, at next convenience. Thank you. |
| Date | 16:35:38, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | Ending unconditional access to information will severely hinder our intelligence agency, the Special Operations Service. I cannot vote to destroy our defence against communist subversion. |
| Date | 16:42:55, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | Responding to the CCU: The AAP representatives disagree on both points. Firstly - the Habeas Data stipulation means that no information can be kept secret, IF there is at least a reasonable doubt. It is a simple matter for the Special Op. Service to seek Habeas Data exemptions - and all that is required is 'suspicion' of malfeasance. The second point - the AAP is not aware of any imminent threat of 'communist subversion'. On the contrary, the Communists within our own nation are registered politically, and represented in government - they are hardly 'subversive'. On the other hand - there MIGHT be subversion from external forces, but external subversives are not covered by the proposal, anyway. As stated in the Bill langauge "The AAP seeks to protect the private information of Likatonian citizens, by removing the mechanism that allows ABSOLUTE access to data, and replacing it with a mechanism that grants data-access rights AS NEEDED". There is no attempt to make access difficult - just to REMOVE the 'default' surveillance. |
| Date | 22:06:59, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | I totally agree with both of these proposals. Privacy is an important thing. |
| Date | 22:11:54, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Civil Freedoms |
| Message | And you keep on about that 'communist subversion' CCU. I think an omnicient, omnipotent government is far more of a worry than some imaginary communists. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 104 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 78 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 33 |
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