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Bill: Defence Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Royal Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2105
Description[?]:
Privatising defence industries makes little sense as the government is the biggest customer of the defence industries and as such the government is vulnerable to profiteering by defence companies. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 04:00:57, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Defence Bill |
Message | No thank you. There is no reason for the state to own any industry at all. There is a plentiful supply of defence equipment, provided from both national and offshore compaies, we do not see any need to spend extra money to produce what would inevitably be below standard equipment. |
Date | 04:59:26, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Defence Bill |
Message | Wasnt the CUP conservative? Or so they claimed? |
Date | 14:49:48, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Defence Bill |
Message | In certain matters. The word 'moderate' means a fair amount. |
Date | 14:54:36, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Defence Bill |
Message | As the CUP's party description states, I believe, that in certain areas, a mixed market attitude is the most practical to take. Defence is an industry vital to the nation's survival and as such we believe that some aspects of defence industries should be handled by the government in order to lower costs and ensure a high level of standards. |
Date | 16:45:40, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Defence Bill |
Message | Conservatism, historically, requires a strong role for the state. It is historic liberalism which spawned individual-rights thinking (Adam Smith was a great laissez-faire liberal, for instance). Conservatives have traditionally prized the role of a moderate and paternalistic government, and rejected "libertarian" thinking. Traditioanlly conservatives opposed free trade, liberals favoured it. Only in recent days has this begun to change with the arrival of neo-conservatism, which is really neo-liberalism. Even in the USA, a country founded on radical liberalism that now calls itself conservatism, a decent political science course will reveal this. Reading a little Edmund Burke is a good way to get a sense of this tradition. |
Date | 20:47:39, September 01, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Defence Bill |
Message | Right wing thinking has two major lines, a statist line, which leads to the traditional class structure Tory policies of the pre Hayek days, and the neo liberal economic lines of Thatcher etc. Edmund Burke only deals with Toryism, and not with neo-libralism. CUP appears to be a traditional Tory. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||
yes |
Total Seats: 196 | |||||
no |
Total Seats: 83 | |||||
abstain | Total Seats: 21 |
Random fact: In cases where a party has no seat, the default presumption should be that the party is able to contribute to debates in the legislature due to one of its members winning a seat at a by-election. However, players may collectively improvise arrangements of their own to provide a satisfying explanation for how parties with no seats in the legislature can speak and vote there. |
Random quote: "I am loyal to the ideas, not to the institutions." - Cyro Aquila, former Selucian politician |